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So....Will Biden Be VP?

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 09:44 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
Glad you changed your mind, Bear. Both you and I had Biden as our first choice for president. Obama couldn't have made a better choice.

If anyone wants to learn more about Joe Biden, read his book as I did:
Promises to Keep: On Life and Politics

Biden is an extraordinary man and senator.

BBB

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 09:47 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
I don't think Biden will become VP, but he is Obama's choice.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 09:51 am
@H2O MAN,
I thought McCain would win at first.... but then for awhile he was so inept I thought the race was Obama's to lose. Now I'm not sure what will happen. They are both disappointments to their parties and the American people IMO.

I am voting for Obama though, because of Biden.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 09:52 am
Joe Biden on McCain's judgement and his friendship with him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGoB4_mJnsY

Joe Biden on foreign policy, Bush presidency, McCain and Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOue81Hfqs&feature=related
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 09:56 am
Pretty objective article here IMO.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154863

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:01 am
@H2O MAN,
The important thing right now is to hear Obama articulate why Biden is his choice. Obama is new to the scene, we need to know what makes him tick, what is important to him. Words are nice, what he says is important should be listened to, but actions speak louder. His choice for VP tells us a lot about Obama.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:02 am
@hawkeye10,
What do you think it tells us about him?

Cycloptichon
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:03 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Biden pick nets Hagel endorsement

Quote:
"Joe Biden is the right partner for Barack Obama. His many years of distinguished service to America, his seasoned judgment and his vast experience in foreign policy and national security will match up well with the unique challenges of the 21st Century. An Obama-Biden ticket is a very impressive and strong team. Biden's selection is good news for Obama and America."


Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:04 am
I believe that Biden would be a weak choice for Obama. While the political mcalculators will no doubt give him points for his supposed foreign policy expertise, his East coast origins, and his Catholicism; I believe that most voters will see simply a pair of loquatious, lightweight airheads, long on abstract ideas and windy talk but short on practical experience, gritty character, wisdom and reliability.

Just my opinion, but I do believe many voters would see it that way.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:06 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't have an opinion yet, because I have not heard Obama say why he picked Biden. I am disturbed however that on the short list were so many bad choices, small bore people with no national or international experience. Of the short list only Biden was qualified. This speaks to flaws in the selection process, and we need to know why it was conducted so poorly.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:10 am
@hawkeye10,
It's not like American politicians of either party have much to offer period.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:10 am
@georgeob1,
Project much?

I doubt that any choice would have been applauded by the Republicans and met with nervous laughter. I've been reading a lot of this sort of flash response, and I'm quite sure that the same criticisms of 'weak pick' would have gone out towards ANY candidate that Obama picked. Or, can you tell me who would have been a strong pick, and one that would have made you nervous?

Cycloptichorn
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:12 am
Biden, in his own words:

Quote:
On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.

On Obama:
Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: “‘Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell that’s what I called for,’ Biden said today on MSNBC’s Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, ‘I’m glad he’s talking about these things.’”

Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, “The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Biden’s long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” That release mocked Obama for asking about the “stunning level of mercury in fish” and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”

Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical " albeit in a slightly more backhanded way " about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.

Also from that Observer interview: “But " and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable " he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”

Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”

...

December 26, 2006: “Frankly, I think I’m more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.”

On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued " they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”

Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”

Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: “The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon " not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was " every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of " after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.”

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out " equally a mistake.”

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the " America’s " this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and " long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”

Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.” (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)


link

The McCain folks should have fun with some of these.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:19 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I am in agreement with the idea (I think I got it from Broder) that the VP pick rarely matters in the contest that is the first election, that the importance of the VP pick in elections is for the second term. If the VP was picked well then the administration is more effective, and thus they are in a better position to argue for a second term.

That said, the impact of choosing well will be felt in camp Obama from today forward, it just that the vote counting is not important for this election because nobody likely would have changed to results this NOV.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:20 am
@hawkeye10,
that is an astute observation...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:20 am
@Ticomaya,
Doubt it - pretty dry stuff, and Obama and Biden can spin that stuff away with a flick of the wrist.

From Chuck Todd at First Read:

Quote:
s the days got nearer for the pick, it was hard to find a Democrat -- even savvy Clintonites -- who weren't hoping it would be Biden. Only the most strident Hillary supporters appear to be upset this morning. On the GOP side, the sound you heard was disappointed silence. Of everyone on the short list, the candidate many Republicans least wanted to see Obama pick was Biden. Sure, they've already trotted out their talking points. And the McCain camp even produced a rapid-response TV ad highlighting some unkind words Biden said about Obama during the primaries. (We assume this now means McCain won’t be picking Romney, right? And doesn't the McCain ad actually send the message to swing voters that Obama's willing to surround himself with critics?)


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/23/1285720.aspx

Cycloptichorn
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:24 am
@Ticomaya,
I have noticed that in the last 2 election cycles anyway... the republicans are much better at running a campaign than the democrats. Unfortunately they are miserable failures at running a country. More unfortunate, the America public can't tell the difference when they go to the polls. Hopefully this 8 year debacle has been a learning experience. Probably not though.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:24 am
@hawkeye10,
Did you forget that Bear just changed his vote to Obama-Biden when he heard the news?

BBB
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:30 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
in all fairness BBB my love... I wouldn't vote for McCain if Jesus Christ were on the ticket and they passed a constitutional amendment making anal sex with guys names steve mandatory....
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 10:46 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Oh, cool!

I had a bet going with someone re: Hagel. (Whether he'd endorse Obama.)

Which reminds me, I also just won the big Hillary bet.

CNN says that Obama told Biden on Thursday (Thursday!) and they're super-impressed that it remained a secret until early Saturday morning.
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