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So....Will Biden Be VP?

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 07:06 am
@nimh,
Thanks for asking!
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 07:06 am
@sozobe,
Hey. He HAS been behaving lately...Smile I have to say...I'm really interested to see the pick. What about Sam Nunn? HE would be the masterstroke.
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 07:52 am
@Lash,
I'm really interested too!

I'm signed up of course (the Obama campaign has promised to tell supporters via email/ text before anyone else -- but the media has also signed up, no doubt, so it'll probably be simultaneous).

First Read guys today:

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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Biden walks it back: Yesterday, all the signs pointed to the fact that Biden was emerging Obama’s likely VP pick -- until the Delaware senator quickly seemed to dash that speculation yesterday. “You guys have better things to do,” Biden told the reporters staking him out, as he was leaving his home in Delaware to play golf. "I'm not the guy." But upon his return, he appeared to walk back that denial. "I promise, I don't know anything, have no idea, have spoken to no one,” Biden said. Then asked whether he thinks he’s still being considered, he answered: "I have no idea. You guys know as well as I do. See ya, fellas." A Biden source told us not to read too much into his "I’m-not-the-guy" statement, saying he was pretending not to be Biden -- rather than stating he wasn’t going to be Obama’s VP. Also, does anyone think Biden would have been out golfing and smiling had he found out he wasn't the guy?
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 07:56 am
@sozobe,
Re: that last part though ("would he be golfing and smiling...?"), if he really doesn't know that wouldn't be a surprise... trying to get his mind off things while he waits to find out for sure.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:19 am
I can't imagine why Biden would be concerned... at this point in his life he probably realizes he'll never be president....( unless he became president by being VP and something happening to the prez) so in his current position or in another he can do just as well financially, influentially and in job satisfaction I'm sure.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:58 am
@sozobe,
Soz wrote:
Kaine is OK but I don't think he'd really bring that much to the ticket

Hey, but you havent seen yet how well he rocks the harmonica Smile
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 10:42 am
@Butrflynet,
Here's why, in the final analysis, he probably won't be picked:

Quote:
‘Just Words’ That Joe Biden Would Like To Forget
The curse of a loose mouth and Nexis.

By Jim Geraghty


The fun thing about an Obama-Biden ticket is that the McCain campaign can point to a new awkward comment by Joe Biden " either on the importance of experience, in praise of McCain, or in support of invading Iraq " that contradicts the stands and qualities of the Democratic nominee for every day from now until Election Day.

On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”

On Obama:
Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: “‘Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell that’s what I called for,’ Biden said today on MSNBC’s Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, ‘I’m glad he’s talking about these things.’”

Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, “The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Biden’s long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” That release mocked Obama for asking about the “stunning level of mercury in fish” and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”

Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical " albeit in a slightly more backhanded way " about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Also from that Observer interview: “But " and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable " he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”

Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”

September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, “Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Biden’s critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.

December 26, 2006: “Frankly, I think I’m more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.”

On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued " they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”

Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”

Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: “The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon " not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was " every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of " after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.”

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out " equally a mistake.”

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the " America’s " this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and " long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”

Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.” (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)

Having said all that: “There’s something decent at the core of Joe Biden.” " Jim Geraghty, December 13, 2007

blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 11:33 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
This debacle has been impossible for purposes of a fix or ending that isn't a mistake.... because it was a mistake to go.

Is it any wonder that politicians of all stripes can't get a handle on a practical way out of this monumental cluster f*ck? There is none.

I don't hold the inability to suggest a good solution against ANY politician.... but I think bush and his cronies deserve eternal hell (if there is such a place) for sending us there.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 03:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn wrote:
Here's why, in the final analysis, he probably won't be picked:

Mwah. The earlier remarks about McCain are awkward, for sure. But all the stuff thats lifted from the primary campaign? Hell, wasnt it George Bush Sr who derided Reagan as candidate for his "voodoo economics"? Yet he still ran as his Veep once the primaries were over. I think all of the stuff from the primary season will be taken with a big grain of salt.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 04:18 pm
@nimh,
I hope you're right.

If he's selected, Republicans can use the quotes, and he'll make an Obama presidency (should we be so unfortunate) a tad more bearable.
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 04:24 pm
@nimh,
That was my thought too.

VPs are frequently (in recent history anyway) primary-race opponents. Primary-race opponents are gonna say bad stuff about each other. <shrug>
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 10:26 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26288748/
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 03:59 am
My take is that his repeated clear denials to reporters means he isn't the guy.

If he were the pick, he would have avoided the question.

Yet, he keeps on saying emphatically "I am not the guy".
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 10:52 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
That is an argument I don't understand how you can make work for yourself.

Vote for us because Biden agrees with us. Why not vote for Biden then?
Biden disagrees with Obama. Yeah but Obama still disagrees with McCain and would be President.

What exactly is the argument you would make while you use the quotes? I am curious if you can make one that even sounds logical and isn't based on a personal attack.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 02:48 pm
Obama said he's decided on VP. First Read seems convinced it'll be Biden. (They haven't said that in so many words, just reading between the lines. Lots of items about him today.) (And he doesn't seem to be "repeatedly" saying he's not the guy -- I've only seen one quote, which was then walked back.) (He meant that he's not Joe Biden so don't bother him, his staff says. A joke. Uh, right.)
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 02:53 pm
Biden certainly fits the "older, not elderly, white, male, traditional democrat" persona that I thought would be chosen.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 06:27 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
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Sure looks like my boy is on the shortlist.....


Your and Obama's boy Biden wanted to segregate Iraq into separate ethnic/religious factions. They voted against the surge arguing that Sunni and Shiite's are incapable of ever living together in peace. WOW, did this surge prove your boy's foreign policy WRONG... So are you a racist too?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 12:08 am
@RexRed,
please don't attempt to irritate me.... you're not capable.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 07:41 am
@sozobe,
Brooks wants Biden:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html
nimh
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 08:08 am
@sozobe,
Quote:
Brooks wants Biden:

OK, but nevertheless he might still be a good choice... Wink
 

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