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Putin putting Russia on a war path?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:11 am
What is Putin's plan?

Is anyone paying attention to what is and could happen??
 
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:16 am
power sex money food water air land


war is about obtaining those. we are all at war.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:18 am
Re: Putin putting Russia on a war path?
H2O_MAN wrote:
What is Putin's plan?

Is anyone paying attention to what is and could happen??



There a thread about this topic here (right in this forum), and another one here in the International News forum...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:31 am
Yeah, and there is a new one right HERE...
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:34 am
You just fix those water softeners, H2OMAN, and let us grownups deal with foreign affairs
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 10:38 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Yeah, and there is a new one right HERE...


Except you have absolutely no knowledge about it.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 01:01 pm
No one, we just all promised to tell the truth today!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 01:08 pm
And just how long did it take for you guys to break yet another promise?

Could it be a new record?

I think it is!
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 01:15 pm
h20 man you speak so elegantly.


i like ya even more after following your political escapades.

the entertainment value is thru the roof
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 04:17 pm
The pot should not call the kettle balck.
One should not throw stones i while he is in glass chamer.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 04:21 pm
Those glass chamers are very britle.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 10:53 am
Blowback From Bear-Baiting


by Patrick J. Buchanan
Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi, and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney, and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight " Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney, and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an antimissile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost " in Tbilisi.

Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 11:27 am
@blueflame1,
Blueflame
Do you think that the die-hard anti Communists and pro Bush gangs will dare to type some logical arguments so that we both learn something?
blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2008 11:56 am
@Ramafuchs,
Rama, I'm surprised Pat Buchanon yo;d so much truth in his article.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 08:58 am
Sky News uses footage of ruins of South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, says it is Georgia’s key town of Gori

Saturday, Aug 16, 2008

Sky New lies giving ruins of South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, for Georgia’s key town of Gori, which they say Russian bombed.

The channel simply used the footage of Tskhinvali, which was literally ruined as a result of Georgia’s attacks, to make reports about the situation in the town of Gori, which the Russian aviation supposedly bombed.

Pravda.ru journalists concluded that the footage of destruction, fires and crying civilians used by Sky News in its Gori report was identical to the footage aired by Russian TV channel Zvezda (Star) when it reported about Tskhinvali.

On Wednesday, Sky News made a report about Russian tanks supposedly advancing towards Georgia’s Gori (the information was subsequently rebutted). The company aired the footage, which showed that the small town had been destroyed.

Georgian authorities and Western media outlets previously said that the Russian aviation had bombed Gori, which led to numerous casualties. Russia strongly rejected those statements.

The footage aired by the British TV channel was preceded with a picture of a road sign displaying the name of the town " Gori " written in Georgian and English languages. The report also said that a Sky News correspondent was reporting from the Georgian town.

However, the footage that followed the picture of the road sign was fake.

Russia ’s TV channel Zvezda, which has five camera crews working in Tskhinvali, aired the same footage two days before, on Monday. Sky News showed its report with no sound, whereas the people showed in the Russian report could be heard speaking Russian and Ossetian languages. The crying people shown in the report were heard cursing Georgian President Saakashvili for destructions and manslaughter.

Pravda.ru managed to find the reports of Sky News and Zvezda. Watch and compare for yourself.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sky-news-uses-footage-of-ruins-of-south-ossetian-capital-tskhinvali-says-it-is-georgia%e2%80%99s-key-town-of-gori.html
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 09:00 am
Sky News uses footage of ruins of South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, says it is Georgia’s key town of Gori

Saturday, Aug 16, 2008

Sky New lies giving ruins of South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, for Georgia’s key town of Gori, which they say Russian bombed.

The channel simply used the footage of Tskhinvali, which was literally ruined as a result of Georgia’s attacks, to make reports about the situation in the town of Gori, which the Russian aviation supposedly bombed.

Pravda.ru journalists concluded that the footage of destruction, fires and crying civilians used by Sky News in its Gori report was identical to the footage aired by Russian TV channel Zvezda (Star) when it reported about Tskhinvali.

On Wednesday, Sky News made a report about Russian tanks supposedly advancing towards Georgia’s Gori (the information was subsequently rebutted). The company aired the footage, which showed that the small town had been destroyed.

Georgian authorities and Western media outlets previously said that the Russian aviation had bombed Gori, which led to numerous casualties. Russia strongly rejected those statements.

The footage aired by the British TV channel was preceded with a picture of a road sign displaying the name of the town " Gori " written in Georgian and English languages. The report also said that a Sky News correspondent was reporting from the Georgian town.

However, the footage that followed the picture of the road sign was fake.

Russia ’s TV channel Zvezda, which has five camera crews working in Tskhinvali, aired the same footage two days before, on Monday. Sky News showed its report with no sound, whereas the people showed in the Russian report could be heard speaking Russian and Ossetian languages. The crying people shown in the report were heard cursing Georgian President Saakashvili for destructions and manslaughter.

Pravda.ru managed to find the reports of Sky News and Zvezda. Watch and compare for yourself.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sky-news-uses-footage-of-ruins-of-south-ossetian-capital-tskhinvali-says-it-is-georgia%e2%80%99s-key-town-of-gori.html
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 04:38 pm
@blueflame1,
Well said Blueflame.
Regards.

The American-armed and trained Georgian army swarmed into South Ossetia last Thursday, killing an estimated 2,000 civilians, sending 40,000 South Ossetians fleeing over the Russian border, and destroying much of the capital, Tskhinvali. The attack was unprovoked and took place a full 24 hours before even ONE Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Americans still believe that the Russian army invaded Georgian territory first. The BBC, AP, NPR, the New York Times and the rest of the establishment media has consistently and deliberately misled its readers into believing that the violence in South Ossetia was initiated by the Kremlin. Let's be clear, it wasn't. In truth, there is NO dispute about the facts except among the people who rely the western press for their information. Despite its steady loss of credibility, the corporate media continues to operate as the propaganda-arm of the Pentagon.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/16497
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 05:26 pm
“Gori in ruins”? You decide
Saturday, Aug 16, 2008
Russia’s ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin has dismissed media reports that the Georgian city of Gori is “in ruins.” He called the allegations a “disinformation campaign” and pointed to the fact that Russian peacekeepers have in fact performed a humanitarian mission there.

The Russian military says it has been organising aid for locals who have remained in the city, and maintaining order on the ground to prevent looting.

People say they feel safer because the Russian soldiers protect them from the vandalism of local gangs.
But media outlets including CNN jumped on Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili’s claim to have witnessed “first hand” two Russian planes bombing the city, and reported it as fact.

Speaking from the UN headquarters in New York, Russia’s UN ambassador said the allegations were part of a “disinformation campaign.” (FULL STORY) http://www.prisonplanet.com/gori-in-ruins-you-decide.html

Footage shot by RT shows a ghost town, where a statue of Stalin towers over the main square. Yes, there is glass on the ground and damaged cars, but a ruined city it certainly is not.

If there is one Georgian city that can be added to the pages of history for being ravaged by war, it’s Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia - and Gori will remain a footnote on the “propaganda war”.
 

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