Will Obama support reparations?

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'Present' Obama's recent talk on race:

Quote:

http://starbulletin.com/2008/07/28/news/story05.html

brings this issue to mind.

It's an important question, because Obama was under the teaching of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.

Wright is on the record strongly advocating financial reparations to blacks for slavery.

Other members of Obama's advisory committee such as Iva Carruthers (another Trinity UCC member) are also on record advocating reparations.

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Does Obama Favor Slavery "Reparations?"
By Cliff Kincaid Thursday, March 27, 2008

Barrack Obama's pastor not only spews anti-American rhetoric from the pulpit but favors shaking down U.S. taxpayers for "reparations" for slavery. The Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright was the keynote speaker at the 2007 annual conference of N'COBRA, which stands for the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America.

Wright's talk, "A Call for Justice and Repair," followed a statement in which he declared that "The Biblical principle of true repentance is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families."

A reparations plan for blacks could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers' pockets.

But Wright isn't the only controversial member of Obama's church. Dr. Iva Carruthers, who describes herself as an active member of the church, is an outspoken advocate of reparations for blacks and was a participant in N'COBRA's 2004 conference.

Carruthers was identified, along with Wright, as a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Wright has since been dropped from the group. But Carruthers is sometimes referred to as a spokesman for Wright and works with him closely.

Indeed, Carruthers may be even more controversial, especially on the issue of reparations. She wrote The Church and Reparations―An African American Perspective, which was reportedly "distributed by her denomination" at the 2001 U.N. World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. The conference was considered so extreme that the U.S. delegation, led by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, walked out.

Not only are members of his church involved in the reparations movement; Obama is said to have been politically close to former Chicago Alderman Dorothy Jean Wright Tillman, who led an effort by the Chicago City Council to demand reparations for slavery. "Chicago has become the de facto center of the slavery reparations movement," noted a journalist for the far-left In These Times.

from http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2370

The issue will undoubtedly be raised, the question is will he support it and in what measure?

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When Obama is elected, he will nationalize all private property and distribute it back to the private sector on the basis of melanin concentration in the skin.

Citizenship will not play a factor; all illegal immigrants will be eligible.

Better get to that tanning bed.

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A lot of these questions would not be a factor if Obama didn't have so many associations with folks who carry the banner for the most radical agendas of the far left.

Had he been a centrist, he would've coasted to the nomination and would be 15 points ahead in all the polls based on white guilt alone.

But Dems weren't smart enough to back a centrist. They had to push the most liberal man in the US Senate.

So my question is regarding reparations?

Will he or won't he?

Should he or shouldn't he?

And don't we have a right to know BEFORE the election?

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I don't think he will. I don't know his feelings on such racial issues (the ones he holds in his heart) but I do know he's a politician and, for now anyway, his bread is still buttered by whites. Rich and powerful whites. At the end of the day, like any politician, his self interest is paramount.

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In my opinion, Blacks living today no more deserve reparations than white families living today, that had ancestors pauperized by Emancipation, deserve reparations. There was actually a precedent for reparations to slave owners in the District of Columbia, if my history is remembered correctly.

In effect, everyone alive today has no claim on what happened prior to the end of the Civil War.

However, the argument for reparations could be based on the Jim Crow era of second class citizenship. In that case, many ethnicities, Irish especially, can recall a long trek to first class citizenship. The only people that may not then deserve some repartations, for prejudice tolerated, might be WASP's?

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As of yesterday, he says he won't.

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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZ0B_yzHzr4ozpmkGVAoGkqH9OMgD92AAVLO0

At least, he won't support anything that uses the word 'reparations'.

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"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."........

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.....

As a formerly popular Dem said, it depends on what the definition of IS is.

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So, he answers your (fair, and undoubtedly asked in the spirit of unbiased inquiry-not) question, but you don't like (or are just feigning doubt as part of your general muckracking)the verbiage in the answer?

If it happens, will you even have a moment where you pretend to support him as the duly elected CIC, or will you make a seamless segway from candidate pissing and moaning and mudslinging to presidential pissing and moaning and mudslinging?

Just for the record,

his views on reparations have been consistent...

<snip>
But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.
"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said.

"If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."<snip>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/02/obama-opposes-slavery-rep_n_116506.html

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I believe the tone and intent is racist, intended to drag Obama down in the polls.

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snood wrote:

If it happens, will you even have a moment where you pretend to support him as the duly elected CIC, or will you make a seamless segway from candidate pissing and moaning and mudslinging to presidential pissing and moaning and mudslinging?

If elected , Obama will have more respect from me than the current president EVER had from the Democrats.

The Dems have played politics with America's national security for years.

I showed respect for Clinton when he was elected and I'd do the same for Obama.

It doesn't mean I'd agree with everything he does.

I don't agree with everything Bush does either. And I'm not shy about saying so either.

Your heavy emotional investment in Obama seems to keep you from seeing him objectively.

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"If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

Every child in America CAN go to college NOW. There are student loans available, there are tons of scholarships, and there's the option of working your way through as well. There are employers who will reimburse your tuition also. There are junior colleges that make the first two years quite inexpensive.

To pretend that some kids are prevented from attending college is simply false.

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edgarblythe wrote:

I believe the tone and intent is racist, intended to drag Obama down in the polls.

The intent is that people have a right to know what he intends to do , before they vote.

His puffy flowery speeches are his staple on the campaign trail. The media won't ask him pointed questions for fear that he might injure his chances.

But like a good little soldier, you are quite adept at playing the race card.

Anyone who disagrees or questions Obama on any issue for any reason is really just racist underneath, aren't they EB? We know the truth, they're just racist , right? Rolling Eyes

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And I insist this thread is 100% racist.

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why is RL playing a race card? Is he so blind and biased in his whites only world that he wishes to try to deflect any criticism by bigotry.
Shame on you RL,

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My Grandfather was Swedish and protestant, and he was constantly looked down upon by the Catholics when he immigrated. So he married one.

My father hates Catholicism to this day.

I deserve reparations from the pope.

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edgarblythe wrote:

I believe the tone and intent is racist, intended to drag Obama down in the polls.

I believe Obama's chicken **** attitude toward debating McCain is what is dragging Obama down in the polls.

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I need to clarify my previous post. My grandfather didn't immigrate, his Swedish parents did.

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real life wrote:

Anyone who disagrees or questions Obama on any issue for any reason is really just racist underneath, aren't they EB? We know the truth, they're just racist , right?

Yes. Pointing out that ONE person used a fear-mongering, racially-polarizing argument ONE time means that ANYONE who disagrees with Obama for ANY reason is racist.

You take one data point and extrapolate to infinity, seeking to deflect a legitimate criticism.

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cjhsa wrote:

My Grandfather was Swedish and protestant, and he was constantly looked down upon by the Catholics when he immigrated. So he married one.

My father hates Catholicism to this day.

I deserve reparations from the pope.

Live and learn. I thought hatred towards Catholics was totally replaced by just looking down on them from an intellectual perspective? Being Jewish, I also thought Protestants replaced anti-Semitism with just looking down on Jews from a "social class" perspective.

I say this in context of the Jewish/Christian marriages, that I am aware of, most are between Jews (secular) and Catholics.

I hope you do not harbor any negative feelings towards Catholics, since I believe they try so hard oftentimes to just be nice people. And, I do admire Protestants for their tendency to tallness and good looks.

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Foofie wrote:

I hope you do not harbor any negative feelings towards Catholics, since I believe they try so hard oftentimes to just be nice people.

Only the Pope's refusal to allow use of contraceptives. And the fact he'st he wealthiest man in the world whose minions are mostly poor and hungry. Did I mention the pedophile business? I've said too much.

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cjhsa wrote:

Foofie wrote:

I hope you do not harbor any negative feelings towards Catholics, since I believe they try so hard oftentimes to just be nice people.

Only the Pope's refusal to allow use of contraceptives. And the fact he'st he wealthiest man in the world whose minions are mostly poor and hungry. Did I mention the pedophile business? I've said too much.

The Pope wealthy? He does not own the Vatican.

Contraceptives? This has nothing to do with disliking people that subscribe to a particular faith.

Pedophiles? This too has nothing to do with disliking people that subscribe to a particular faith.

Believing that you value the discernment of a good marksman, should you not separate a people from their respective faith. Simply put, it is no one's fault that they were born into a particular family.

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Agreed. But I was taking issue with the pope and his (continuing) vision for the church, not catholics in general.

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