Obama Faking It

mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

I'm trying to show that there is no way anyone can know for sure what Obama is going to do.
For all we know, he isnt going to do anything he claims, and may do the exact opposite of what he says his plans are.

I am trying to show that we cant know what any candidate will do
in the future, and that all we can do is judge him on the present and past performances.

Obama has 3 years in the US Senate, and has spent 2 of them campaigning for President.
That doesnt leave much time to actually be a Senator and accomplish anything.
His record is spotty at best, IMHO.

Of course, McCain isnt any better lately, but looking at his overall political record it is better then Obama's.
To judge either man based on what they say they will do is silly, you have to look at what they have done over their whole career in politics.

How could you possibly trust McCain on anything, then? He's either lied or changed his position on every single issue under the sun over the last few years, as you well know.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

I'm trying to show that there is no way anyone can know for sure what Obama is going to do.
For all we know, he isnt going to do anything he claims, and may do the exact opposite of what he says his plans are.

I am trying to show that we cant know what any candidate will do
in the future, and that all we can do is judge him on the present and past performances.

Obama has 3 years in the US Senate, and has spent 2 of them campaigning for President.
That doesnt leave much time to actually be a Senator and accomplish anything.
His record is spotty at best, IMHO.

Of course, McCain isnt any better lately, but looking at his overall political record it is better then Obama's.
To judge either man based on what they say they will do is silly, you have to look at what they have done over their whole career in politics.

How could you possibly trust McCain on anything, then? He's either lied or changed his position on every single issue under the sun over the last few years, as you well know.

Cycloptichorn

Who said I trust him.
I dont trust any politician, especially not one running for President
I believe it was Will Rogers that once said that any man that wants the job should be barred from ever having it.

But when you look at McCains overall record in politics, theres a lot more then just the last few years.
Has he changed his position on many things?
Absolutely he has.
Were those changes good for him or the country?
Not all of them, IMHO.

But at least he has a record to look at as a US Senator.
Obama has spent the vast majority of his time as a US Senator running for President.

That doesnt leave much time for him to establish a record or the credentials to be President.

mysteryman wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

I'm trying to show that there is no way anyone can know for sure what Obama is going to do.
For all we know, he isnt going to do anything he claims, and may do the exact opposite of what he says his plans are.

I am trying to show that we cant know what any candidate will do
in the future, and that all we can do is judge him on the present and past performances.

Obama has 3 years in the US Senate, and has spent 2 of them campaigning for President.
That doesnt leave much time to actually be a Senator and accomplish anything.
His record is spotty at best, IMHO.

Of course, McCain isnt any better lately, but looking at his overall political record it is better then Obama's.
To judge either man based on what they say they will do is silly, you have to look at what they have done over their whole career in politics.

How could you possibly trust McCain on anything, then? He's either lied or changed his position on every single issue under the sun over the last few years, as you well know.

Cycloptichorn

Who said I trust him.
I dont trust any politician, especially not one running for President
I believe it was Will Rogers that once said that any man that wants the job should be barred from ever having it.

But when you look at McCains overall record in politics, theres a lot more then just the last few years.
Has he changed his position on many things?
Absolutely he has.
Were those changes good for him or the country?
Not all of them, IMHO.

But at least he has a record to look at as a US Senator.
Obama has spent the vast majority of his time as a US Senator running for President.

That doesnt leave much time for him to establish a record or the credentials to be President.

Obama has had as much time in public office as MANY of our past, great presidents. Your argument is a non-starter.

Cycloptichorn

You seem to think that State governments are capable of making important and life-changing decisions, such as abortion laws; why would those who are in it not be gaining important experience?

Once again, a non-starter of an argument.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You seem to think that State governments are capable of making important and life-changing decisions, such as abortion laws; why would those who are in it not be gaining important experience?

Once again, a non-starter of an argument.

Cycloptichorn

Actually, I am saying the voters make the decision, not the govt.

I didnt say that he didnt gain experience in the state govt, I said that stat govt wasnt the same.
Tell me, when was the last time a state govt made the decision to go to war in a foreign country?

When was the last time a state govt made a decision that could affect the entire world?

I am not discounting his experience in the Illinois state govt, but that is a lot different the the US Senate.

DTOM...

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what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

i do find it ludicrous to say something like "obama and his dems are gonna bankrupt this republic" while ignoring that very thing in the current republican administration.

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Snopes is a Left wing organization ... not what you would call un-biased.

It may not be a Left wing organization, but it's content is pro-left and anti-right just like the big three media, left wing blogs and A2K.

H2O_MAN wrote:

It may not be a Left wing organization, but it's content is pro-left and anti-right just like the big three media, left wing blogs and A2K.

You may have problems with a side that looks at the facts ...

I often wonder if Snopes feeds lies to the media just so they can debunk them. There certainly have been an awful lot of viral e-mails targeting right of center news outlets this year.