Obama Faking It

Not that you strike me as exceptionally literate, H2O, but he defines change here. Unfortunately, the information there is not provided in the convenient, 30-second soundbites you're used to hearing on Fox News.

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Funny, you strike me as being very ignorant and illiterate.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:

Yes, Obama want's to level the playing field by bankrupting this republic.

The national debt has risen by more then half since Bush took office; and you claim Obama is the one who will bankrupt us?

Facts:

Obama will raise taxes sharply and kill our economy with a quickness.
He also plans to give away 100's of Billions of dollars internationally while
expanding give away programs here at home. This is a plan for disaster in
short order. Obama is very dangerous - he is nothing to laugh at.

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fact (fkt)
n.
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences

what cyclo posts is a "fact".

what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

you seem not to notice the state of our economy under the current administration.

as for giving away 100's of billions of dollars, what do you think has been done by the current administration over the last few years? and we keep having to borrow it from the chinese to give it to the iraqis.

at the same time, the administration finds 100's of millions of dollars to give to the church? over 500 million to establish an office to "promote marriage"? wtf ?? people been doing that without government funding for a hell of a long time.

it's sad to see that some who are so lucky as to live in our fine country are so stingy as to complain bitterly and often if asked to kick in a few dollars to keep it afloat.

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Left eye wouldn't know a fact if it kicked him in the ass.

You seem not to notice Obama's plans to raise taxes sharply, or you just don't care.
Either way Obama is not qualified to be president and he is dangerous - those are FACTS!

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DTOM...

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what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

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mysteryman wrote:

DTOM...

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what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

It is a fact that our national debt has risen precipitously under Bush's term; that was the fact under discussion.

Cycloptichorn

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The fact under discussion is Obama's plan to bankrupt this republic.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
DTOM...

Quote:
what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

It is a fact that our national debt has risen precipitously under Bush's term; that was the fact under discussion.

Cycloptichorn

But using DTOM's standard, it is NOT a fact that Obama can or will reduce the debt.

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mysteryman wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
DTOM...

Quote:
what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

It is a fact that our national debt has risen precipitously under Bush's term; that was the fact under discussion.

Cycloptichorn

But using DTOM's standard, it is NOT a fact that Obama can or will reduce the debt.

Can you link to the post where someone claimed Obama would do so?

You can't have 'facts' that are in the future. You ought to be criticizing the bigot instead of others, for he is doing what you are saying is wrong - presuming facts where there are none.

Cycloptichorn

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/tax_tally_trickery.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html

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FACT: Left eye is the #1 bigot here on A2K and he has many brainwashed minions.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
DTOM...

Quote:
what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

It is a fact that our national debt has risen precipitously under Bush's term; that was the fact under discussion.

Cycloptichorn

But using DTOM's standard, it is NOT a fact that Obama can or will reduce the debt.

Can you link to the post where someone claimed Obama would do so?

You can't have 'facts' that are in the future. You ought to be criticizing the bigot instead of others, for he is doing what you are saying is wrong - presuming facts where there are none.

Cycloptichorn

So then Obama isnt going to reduce the debt?
Is that what you are saying?

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mysteryman wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
DTOM...

Quote:
what you post as "facts" are not, because they have not occurred. and may not.

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

Yet many on here take what he says as fact and that it can and will happen.

Will you hold them to the same standard?

It is a fact that our national debt has risen precipitously under Bush's term; that was the fact under discussion.

Cycloptichorn

But using DTOM's standard, it is NOT a fact that Obama can or will reduce the debt.

Can you link to the post where someone claimed Obama would do so?

You can't have 'facts' that are in the future. You ought to be criticizing the bigot instead of others, for he is doing what you are saying is wrong - presuming facts where there are none.

Cycloptichorn

So then Obama isnt going to reduce the debt?
Is that what you are saying?

Probably not, at least not right away. We're 500 billion in deficit right now, per year; that's not just going to turn on a dime and turn into a surplus. I think that he will try and address the debt and deficit issue by raising taxes and getting out of Iraq ASAP, but it's ridiculous to expect things to just magically get better right away.

Cycloptichorn

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Probably not, at least not right away. We're 500 billion in deficit right now, per year; that's not just going to turn on a dime and turn into a surplus. I think that he will try and address the debt and deficit issue by raising taxes and getting out of Iraq ASAP, but it's ridiculous to expect things to just magically get better right away.

Cycloptichorn

But none of what you say is a fact, because it hasnt happened yet and may not happen.

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mysteryman wrote:

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Probably not, at least not right away. We're 500 billion in deficit right now, per year; that's not just going to turn on a dime and turn into a surplus. I think that he will try and address the debt and deficit issue by raising taxes and getting out of Iraq ASAP, but it's ridiculous to expect things to just magically get better right away.

Cycloptichorn

But none of what you say is a fact, because it hasnt happened yet and may not happen.

Uh, yes? So?

Statements about the future, including the words 'probably' and 'I think' generally are not factual statements, but projections.

Cycloptichorn

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No need to worry yourself Left eye, Obama will not be elected president.

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mysteryman wrote:

Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.

This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

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Who in their right mind really wants a lightly accomplished one-term senator, a former state legislator from Illinois, a Harvard law graduate who has no substantive record of accomplishments to be president?

Avoid the Obama hype!

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.
This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

I'm trying to show that there is no way anyone can know for sure what Obama is going to do.
For all we know, he isnt going to do anything he claims, and may do the exact opposite of what he says his plans are.

I am trying to show that we cant know what any candidate will do
in the future, and that all we can do is judge him on the present and past performances.

Obama has 3 years in the US Senate, and has spent 2 of them campaigning for President.
That doesnt leave much time to actually be a Senator and accomplish anything.
His record is spotty at best, IMHO.

Of course, McCain isnt any better lately, but looking at his overall political record it is better then Obama's.
To judge either man based on what they say they will do is silly, you have to look at what they have done over their whole career in politics.

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mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Then there are very few facts in any of Obama's plans and goals, because they have not occurred, and may not.
This is true of everyone's plans and goals. (What do you find so interesting about creating such ridiculous straw man arguments?) Reminds me of an old Russian Proverb (according to my Russian friend), "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans."

I'm trying to show that there is no way anyone can know for sure what Obama is going to do.
For all we know, he isnt going to do anything he claims, and may do the exact opposite of what he says his plans are.

I am trying to show that we cant know what any candidate will do
in the future, and that all we can do is judge him on the present and past performances.

Obama has 3 years in the US Senate, and has spent 2 of them campaigning for President.
That doesnt leave much time to actually be a Senator and accomplish anything.
His record is spotty at best, IMHO.

Of course, McCain isnt any better lately, but looking at his overall political record it is better then Obama's.
To judge either man based on what they say they will do is silly, you have to look at what they have done over their whole career in politics.

How could you possibly trust McCain on anything, then? He's either lied or changed his position on every single issue under the sun over the last few years, as you well know.

Cycloptichorn

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