Obama is eloquent ... well sort of.

maybe asking that on an internet forum won't get the results expected. Wiki is just a click away.

To accentuate the positive one good thing is the next President knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. That eliminates McBushie.

H2O_MAN wrote:

revel wrote:

I bet he knows where the Pakistani border is.

McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Obama has written most of his speeches, when you write speeches I imagine you have more than a minute to think through your mind.

Pay attention, everybody knows the Pakistani border is Iran

:wink:

Perhaps you should tell mccain then?

old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

revel wrote:

I bet he knows where the Pakistani border is.

McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Obama has written most of his speeches, when you write speeches I imagine you have more than a minute to think through your mind.

But he doesnt know the difference between 10,000 and 100.
At least, not when it comes to talking about people dying in a tornado.

Very funny, mysteryman. I suppose that, if you're going for cheap shots, we can also take it as given that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, or between Sudan and Somalia...

Since you seem to think its a big deal, can you tell us the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
What are the differences in their beliefs?
What are the difference in their respective traditions and holy days?
Can you look at someone and tell if they are Sunni or Shiite?

Since its such a big deal, List all of the differences between Sunni and Shiite, why they are different, and the historical reasons they are different.

If you cant, then you have no right to complain about McCain not knowing either.

WTF??

Can anyone translate Obamaspeak?

"No, because keep in mind that question, you wouldn't ... but keep in mind that kind of hypothetical is very difficult to know hindsight is 20-20 ... later ... but I think that what I'm absolutely convinced of is that at that time we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one that I just disagreed with."

H2O_MAN wrote:

WTF??

Can anyone translate Obamaspeak?

"No, because keep in mind that question, you wouldn't ... but keep in mind that kind of hypothetical is very difficult to know hindsight is 20-20 ... later ... but I think that what I'm absolutely convinced of is that at that time we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one that I just disagreed with."

Sure; he said 'the surge wasn't a good idea at the time and it still isn't what fixed Iraq up (that would be bribing the sunnis) so no, I wouldn't have voted for it. I disagree with the Bush-McCain position that we have to stay as long as possible, and instead think we should leave as soon as possible.'

revel wrote:

I bet he knows where the Pakistani border is.

McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Obama has written most of his speeches, when you write speeches I imagine you have more than a minute to think through your mind.

Pay attention, everybody knows the Pakistani border is Iran

:wink:

mysteryman wrote:

old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

revel wrote:

I bet he knows where the Pakistani border is.

McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Obama has written most of his speeches, when you write speeches I imagine you have more than a minute to think through your mind.

But he doesnt know the difference between 10,000 and 100.
At least, not when it comes to talking about people dying in a tornado.

Very funny, mysteryman. I suppose that, if you're going for cheap shots, we can also take it as given that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, or between Sudan and Somalia...

Since you seem to think its a big deal, can you tell us the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
What are the differences in their beliefs?
What are the difference in their respective traditions and holy days?
Can you look at someone and tell if they are Sunni or Shiite?

Since its such a big deal, List all of the differences between Sunni and Shiite, why they are different, and the historical reasons they are different.

If you cant, then you have no right to complain about McCain not knowing either.

Without going to the internet (what is wrong with educating yourself before committing to an answer anyway?) I think the differences between the Shiite and Sunni has something to do with when they think Mohammad died and who the descendents are. I have known for some time since just reading the news that there is a big difference between Sunni and Shiites in Iraq and that the Sunnis are more aligned with Saudi Arabia and the Shiites are more aligned with Iran.

In any event; I am not running for president on a platform bragging about my foreign and military credentials, McCain is and he has proven he has quite a bit to learn.

The context of the interview was in talking about the dangers we face from Afghanistan, McCain tried to pooh pooh the troubles in Afghanistan and Pakistan like your side has done all this time and then tried to put Pakistan and Iran together in another attempt to tie anything they can to Iraq again like you guys have done all this time.

We took our eye off the ball in going after Saddam Hussein when we had other bigger worries and now that worry has gotten even bigger and you guys are still focusing is on Iraq to the exclusion of all else.

revel wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

revel wrote:

I bet he knows where the Pakistani border is.

McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Obama has written most of his speeches, when you write speeches I imagine you have more than a minute to think through your mind.

But he doesnt know the difference between 10,000 and 100.
At least, not when it comes to talking about people dying in a tornado.

Very funny, mysteryman. I suppose that, if you're going for cheap shots, we can also take it as given that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, or between Sudan and Somalia...

Since you seem to think its a big deal, can you tell us the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
What are the differences in their beliefs?
What are the difference in their respective traditions and holy days?
Can you look at someone and tell if they are Sunni or Shiite?

Since its such a big deal, List all of the differences between Sunni and Shiite, why they are different, and the historical reasons they are different.

If you cant, then you have no right to complain about McCain not knowing either.

Without going to the internet (what is wrong with educating yourself before committing to an answer anyway?) I think the differences between the Shiite and Sunni has something to do with when they think Mohammad died and who the descendents are. I have known for some time since just reading the news that there is a big difference between Sunni and Shiites in Iraq and that the Sunnis are more aligned with Saudi Arabia and the Shiites are more aligned with Iran.

In any event; I am not running for president on a platform bragging about my foreign and military credentials, McCain is and he has proven he has quite a bit to learn.

The context of the interview was in talking about the dangers we face from Afghanistan, McCain tried to pooh pooh the troubles in Afghanistan and Pakistan like your side has done all this time and then tried to put Pakistan and Iran together in another attempt to tie anything they can to Iraq again like you guys have done all this time.

We took our eye off the ball in going after Saddam Hussein when we had other bigger worries and now that worry has gotten even bigger and you guys are still focusing is on Iraq to the exclusion of all else.

So you dont know the difference either?

AMMAN, Jordan -- Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."

Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate." A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate's ear. McCain then said: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."

The mistake threatened to undermine McCain's argument that his decades of foreign policy experience make him the natural choice to lead a country at war with terrorists. In recent days, McCain has repeatedly said his intimate knowledge of foreign policy makes him the best equipped to answer a phone ringing in the White House late at night.

revel wrote:

Very funny, mysteryman. I suppose that, if you're going for cheap shots, we can also take it as given that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, or between Sudan and Somalia...

Since you seem to think its a big deal, can you tell us the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
What are the differences in their beliefs?
What are the difference in their respective traditions and holy days?
Can you look at someone and tell if they are Sunni or Shiite?

Since its such a big deal, List all of the differences between Sunni and Shiite, why they are different, and the historical reasons they are different.

If you cant, then you have no right to complain about McCain not knowing either.

mysteryman wrote:

revel wrote:

Very funny, mysteryman. I suppose that, if you're going for cheap shots, we can also take it as given that McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, or between Sudan and Somalia...

Since you seem to think its a big deal, can you tell us the difference between Sunni and Shiite?
What are the differences in their beliefs?
What are the difference in their respective traditions and holy days?
Can you look at someone and tell if they are Sunni or Shiite?

Since its such a big deal, List all of the differences between Sunni and Shiite, why they are different, and the historical reasons they are different.

If you cant, then you have no right to complain about McCain not knowing either.

That's some pretty good logic there, MysteryMan... as long as you don't try to pass it by critical thinkers beyond the age of 3. You can't really be that stupid. As Revel points out; she is not running for president so her knowledge of Shia/Sunni differences is completely irrelevant. That most certainly doesn't mean she has no right to complain about it if the man who aspires to be the leader of the land during a time of great turmoil between the two doesn't know.

She probably doesn't know how to fly a 747 either; but you can bet your last buck she has every right to complain if the man who aspires to be the pilot doesn't know either.

How can you even present such a stupid idea with conviction?

and who would you place in his stead?

jasonrest wrote:

and who would you place in his stead?

Ron Paul ... FTW!!!