Obama's starting to get on my nerves

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This man loves symbolism and thinks maybe it can make up for his inconsistencies?

For example-- his decision to switch where his campaign funds come from (although this one doesn't bother me too much because it takes a ton of money to win an election).

His dropping out of the church.

His weighing in on Supreme Court decision: the one I heard was his objecting to rapists of children Not getting the death penalty. This one bothers me the most...because, Obama is saying this to appeal to a certain base, and he's moving more toward the center.

His health plan is not getting the thumbs up as a way to fix the system.

He's acting haughty.

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OMG He is acting like a political candidate! It is almost as if he were trying to put himself in the best position to win an election...

... or something.

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Gala wrote:

His weighing in on Supreme Court decision: the one I heard was his objecting to rapists of children Not getting the death penalty. This one bothers me the most...because, Obama is saying this to appeal to a certain base, and he's moving more toward the center.

This one actually doesn't bother me though I disagree with him. He's never been anti-death penalty and has often taken a nuanced view of it. Let me see if I can find a quote.

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ebrown_p wrote:

OMG He is acting like a political candidate! It is almost as if he were trying to put himself in the best position to win an election...

... or something.

Well, of course you are correct. Although it burns my keester he's doing it-- and I supported him over Clinton. I guess the best thing I can do is not listen to him anymore.

It also bugs me that he's acting as if he's already gotten the job.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Gala wrote:

His weighing in on Supreme Court decision: the one I heard was his objecting to rapists of children Not getting the death penalty. This one bothers me the most...because, Obama is saying this to appeal to a certain base, and he's moving more toward the center.

This one actually doesn't bother me though I disagree with him. He's never been anti-death penalty and has often taken a nuanced view of it. Let me see if I can find a quote.

I agreed with the court on this one-- as horrendous as the crime is, and it goes beyond words how horrible.

Listen, my beef is Obama's weighing in on it as a political opportunity to appeal, more than likely, to the blue collar Hillary supporters. He sounds so freakin' pompous when he does. I hope he knocks it off soon.

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Re: Obama's starting to get on my nerves

Gala wrote:

Obama's starting to get on my nerves

And so it begins . . .

http://www.athenswater.com/images/NOBAMA.jpg

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I also agreed with the court decision. What I'm saying is that his weighing in is consistent with his previous position on the death penalty and probably not one of his opportunistic panders.

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I also supported him over Clinton because I thought, and I still think, he will be a very good president.

Two points...

First, before he can be a good president, he has to win the election.

Second, after he wins the election, to be a good president, he will have to be able to speak to and work for the concerns of all Americans (not just those of us on the left).

Sure, if I were running for president I would probably handle these issues in the campaign differently... but then again, that has a whole lot to do with why I don't have a shot at running for president.

Let's cut him some slack so he can win the election.

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FreeDuck wrote:

I also agreed with the court decision. What I'm saying is that his weighing in is consistent with his previous position on the death penalty and probably not one of his opportunistic panders.

I don't agree-- it looks like opportunistic pandering to me.

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Gala wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
I also agreed with the court decision. What I'm saying is that his weighing in is consistent with his previous position on the death penalty and probably not one of his opportunistic panders.

I don't agree-- it looks like opportunistic pandering to me.

Not to me, and here's why.

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By the time Obama ran for the U.S. Senate in 2004, he was not advocating abolition of the death penalty, but was saying the system of investigating and prosecuting capital crimes was so flawed that the nation should declare a moratorium on executions, like the one imposed in Illinois by Republican Gov. George Ryan. Obama has abandoned that position as a senator, accepts the death penalty for the most heinous crimes, and calls for reforms like those he championed in Illinois to guard against wrongful convictions, such as the tape-recording of all police interrogations.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/10/INU0UTBQK.DTL&type=politics

Now, there are plenty of things that bother me that he's done lately that DO look like pandering and moving too far right. Supporting the FISA compromise is the biggest of those. But the death penalty decision is not a departure from his previously declared principles.

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i find Obama's FISA position less than understandable, I also find Obama's willingness to invade Pakistan abhorrent.

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We are in agreement, dys.

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Gala wrote:

I guess the best thing I can do is not listen to him anymore.

Great idea.

There is going to be a lot of news on this guy from now until election day. You are not required to keep up with the guy's every move until that day. Take a break.

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Right, stick your head in the sand. Keep the Koolaid in your hand though so you can pull your head out once in a while and take a swig. Laughing

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Re: Obama's starting to get on my nerves

Gala wrote:

This man loves symbolism and thinks maybe it can make up for his inconsistencies?

For example-- his decision to switch where his campaign funds come from (although this one doesn't bother me too much because it takes a ton of money to win an election).

His dropping out of the church.

His weighing in on Supreme Court decision: the one I heard was his objecting to rapists of children Not getting the death penalty. This one bothers me the most...because, Obama is saying this to appeal to a certain base, and he's moving more toward the center.

His health plan is not getting the thumbs up as a way to fix the system.

He's acting haughty.

He got on my nerves long time ago.

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ebrown_p wrote:

I also supported him over Clinton because I thought, and I still think, he will be a very good president.

Two points...

First, before he can be a good president, he has to win the election.

Second, after he wins the election, to be a good president, he will have to be able to speak to and work for the concerns of all Americans (not just those of us on the left).

Sure, if I were running for president I would probably handle these issues in the campaign differently... but then again, that has a whole lot to do with why I don't have a shot at running for president.

Let's cut him some slack so he can win the election.

I agree with you about him needing to win the election, etc. But he's on his high horse.

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The FISA thing is baffling.

And, Congress just unaminously approved funding for the war to go beyond this administration.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Let's cut him some slack so he can win the election.

Nonsense. When he shifts positions and principles to the right to win elections he should be called on it. This notion that it should be forgiven to win the election is foolish. This is the same "triangulation and poll-driven politics" that he claims we need to change and he should be called on his hypocrisy.

When liberals ignore his pandering, or make excuses for it they play into cult-of-personality politics instead of sticking up for what they believe in. Making convoluted excuses about how the pandering is pragmatism and how after he gets elected he's going to be this marvelous agent of change is absurd.

Take his votes at their face value. When he panders to the right don't try to read secret liberal points into it. Read it for what it is: he's courting the right.

If you are right/moderate you should be happy, but if you are a leftist and reading a secret leftist agenda into it all you are ignoring a more obvious motivation: simple ambition on the part of the candidate.

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There will be plenty of libs contorting to vote for him like ebrown.

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If you are a liberal and intend to vote voting for Obama needs no contortion. Calling his pandering pragmatism while believing he's truly different and will bring change to the ways of Washington does.

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Obama's starting to get on my nerves

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