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Is it wrong to view child pornography?

 
 
whatiam
 
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Thu 30 Aug, 2012 11:22 am
@boomerang,
child pornography is bad because in my opinion children don't choose to be in them. but someone somewhere forced them to be
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 30 Aug, 2012 11:34 am
@whatiam,
whatiam wrote:
child pornography is bad because in my opinion children don't choose
to be in them. but someone somewhere forced them to be
How about if a kid decides to take pictures
of himself or herself n sell them to make some money ??
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Johnwash51
 
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Thu 7 May, 2015 01:24 pm
@agrote,
In one word Yes!
Its unethical and against the law.
glitterbag
 
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Thu 7 May, 2015 08:30 pm
@Johnwash51,
The guy who started this thread is a sick man. There is no harmless way to view kiddie porn. It's stomach churning for the SVU detectives who have to see this vile abomination. I did not have children for others to use as sex toys.

If you were looking for a job, and the application had a box that had to be checked that said "I enjoy looking at small children being penetrated by adults, even when they are begging for it to stop, but only in the privacy of my home." What do you think your chances of getting hired would be?

As far as I'm concerned, they can lock you up and throw away the key.
BillRM
 
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Thu 7 May, 2015 11:00 pm
@glitterbag,
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As far as I'm concerned, they can lock you up and throw away the key.


Does that go for a 16 years old girl sending a sexual picture of herself to her 19 years old boyfriend?

As what is consider legally child porn can be far far away from some young child being abused.

The laws with special note of the US is written poorly and can and have at least in some cases harmed the very class of people it is supposed to be protecting..

Next the idea of having laws that just locked people up and then throw away the keys have resulted in a prison population that is ten times higher per capital then of such nations as the UK.

With CP sentences well over ten to twenty times longer then in the UK there is no indication that the US have less CP being traded then in the UK.

The same go for other crimes such as drug trading.

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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 7 May, 2015 11:59 pm
@glitterbag,
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There is no harmless way to view kiddie porn. It's stomach churning for the SVU detectives who have to see this vile abomination.


Jesus, no one can hold a candle to your hyperbole, I cant even come close.

In an age where pics of little girls playing on the playground can be decided by the state to be kiddie porn I think you can chill out a bit. In an age where seeing your 7 year old nakid can be grounds to remove your children I think you can chill out a bit looking at pics of humans of the wrong age. What other bits of the reality of the universe is it illegal to look at? That is some very strange thinking on the part of those people came up with this nonsense.
layman
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 06:53 am
@glitterbag,
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The guy who started this thread is a sick man.


Careful, there, Glitter. You are indirectly bashing the LGBT community, which offered it's full support to NAMBLA for decades, beginning in the 1970's.

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The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age of consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors,and campaigns for the release of all men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.


It was only when they were threatened with the loss of UN recognition that ties were finally broken:

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In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's membership in ILGA drew heavy criticism and caused the suspension of ILGA... Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold $119 million in UN contributions...The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994....

In 1994, ILGA expelled NAMBLA and two other groups (MARTIJN and Project Truth) because they were judged to be "groups whose predominant aim is to support or promote pedophilia."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

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In 1994 the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD."


It suddenly became "repugnant," eh? What a coincidence. Now, of course, everybody is loudly approved of when they jump on the pedophile-bashing bandwagon. Not true among gays, though, for a good long time.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 10:58 am
@hawkeye10,
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What other bits of the reality of the universe is it illegal to look at? That is some very strange thinking on the part of those people came up with this nonsense.


The US laws, at least, define any picture that have any possible sexual elements in it of a person up to the age limit of 18 as child porn and it does not even matter if the producer is also the only subject of the material.

The people like glillerbag when wished us to assume that when the subject of child porn come up that we are only talking about pictures of the nature of infants and young children being molested by sexual predators and not for example a father taking some pictures of his children playing around naked as in the case of the college football coach Todd Hoffner or some middle teen sending pictures to another teen of a sexual nature.

Love the idea that two teens can legally have sex but if they have sexual pictures of each other they should come under the child porn laws and be locked up for years.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Fri 8 May, 2015 12:21 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The US laws, at least, define any picture that have any possible sexual elements in it of a person up to the age limit of 18 as child porn and it does not even matter if the producer is also the only subject of the material.


In other words the standard is "any pic that agents of the state imagine would give a perv a hard-on" is illegal. That is one hell of a way to run a government. And the elite wonder why they have lost the people! Idiots.


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The people like glitterbag....

Would feel right at home on Sharia patrol.

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Love the idea that two teens can legally have sex but if they have sexual pictures of each other they should come under the child porn laws and be locked up for years.
15 years latter prosecutors are still trying to bully our youth into old school modesty. They dont seem to have a clue as to what century we are in. It all goes to delegitimizing the state...a state that does not respect or know the people has no right to govern.
north
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 01:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
It is absolutely wrong

The consequences to the child , psychologically , is life long and destructive , to that child .

hawkeye10
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 01:40 pm
@north,
north wrote:

It is absolutely wrong

The consequences to the child , psychologically , is life long and destructive , to that child .



The child is not usually aware, so it has no effect on the child, it cant.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 01:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Latest Sexting Scandal Shows Many Adults Have Some Growing Up to Do

Amanda Marcotte

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Anna Merlan at Jezebel has uncovered a rash of old-school victim-blaming that's cropped up around a nude photo scandal at Liberty High School in Liberty, Missouri. Eight high school boys have received suspensions of two to 10 days for distributing nude photos of their female classmates around school and online. The girls received a lecture about keeping their pants on. All in all, it's about the best outcome you can expect from a conservative small-town school, in that the school's response was focused on the issue of consent.

But no good deed goes unpunished, and people in the town, stoked by provocative news coverage from the local Fox affiliate, are furious that the girls aren't getting punished alongside the boys.

Fox 4 fired up the controversy by posting a poll asking, among other things, if the decision was correct or if the girls should have been suspended, too. Eighty percent of the thousands who responded said that the girls should have been suspended. Fox 4 then doubled down, with a choice quote from Liberty-based lawyer Eric Vernon: “I think if a young woman was to take a picture of herself, and then send it, that arguably, that’s a worse crime than what the young man did in just receiving it, because she’s the one that produced it, and she’s the one that distributed it, and those things are fairly serious felonies.”

This is missing the point entirely, since the pictures only came to light because the boys shared them. The problem with sexting isn't that women and teen girls are sexual and want use modern technology to share their sexuality (privately). The issue here is, once more with feeling, consent, and why you shouldn't share pictures like this without it.

It's time for a nationwide reckoning on sexting. It's clearly not a temporary fad but, like oral sex and Rule 34, a permanent part of modern American sexuality. We need to move onto the second phase, which should involve educating people—especially young people—on how to sext responsibly. While some risk reduction should be taught (only sext with people you trust, consider keeping your face out of pictures), the bulk of this education should be focused on respect and consent. While so many adults who should know better are ranting and raving about these girls and their phone pictures, at least Liberty High School is, however imperfectly, modeling the way that adults should address the issue with young people.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/04/28/liberty_high_school_sexting_scandal_focus_is_on_consent_and_adults_are_irate.html

Even this particular rather offensive feminist is not wrong about everything. And it is rather refreshing to see a feminist arguing that secrecy has a place in our erotic lives, and that the government does not have a right to know anything it wants, to punish any erotic behavior that it wants.
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north
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 01:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

north wrote:

It is absolutely wrong

The consequences to the child , psychologically , is life long and destructive , to that child .



The child is not usually aware, so it has no effect on the child, it cant.


Nonsense

The child is aware , but says nothing . Shame is what a child feels within but doesn't express outwardly without .
layman
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 02:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Re: BillRM (Post 5949560)


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Bill: The US laws, at least, define any picture that have any possible sexual elements in it of a person up to the age limit of 18 as child porn and it does not even matter if the producer is also the only subject of the material.



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Hawkeye: In other words the standard is "any pic that agents of the state imagine would give a perv a hard-on" is illegal. That is one hell of a way to run a government. And the elite wonder why they have lost the people! Idiots


I don't keep up with this kinda stuff at all, but I do recall coming across a story a few years ago where some guy was charged with a crime for taking pictures during a basketball game at a high school gym.

He took pictures of the cheerleaders going through some of their routines. Some thought that he was doing it because they had on skimpy undergarments.

I couldn't believe it. Everyone in the crowd saw the routines. No one complained about them, from the school board, to the cheerleading "coaches," to the parents of the cheerleaders, to the crowd in general.

Why on earth should this guy be arrested for seeing what everyone else saw just because someone wanted to presume he had sexual motives for looking?

Many people see no reason whatsoever to limit or restrain enacting their arbitrary whims into absolute criminal law. Disgusting.
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 02:03 pm
@north,
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The child is aware , but says nothing


How does the child know that pervs are sharing pics of them, jacking off to them? I have seen child porn (real stuff) on the internet a few dozen times over the years, stumbled onto accidently....how have I hurt the kids in the pics? None of those kids even know that I looked at them.
BillRM
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 03:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
how have I hurt the kids in the pics? None of those kids even know that I looked at them.


Hawkeye you are behind the times as the state when it come across someone that is a known victim in a collection will notify that person and or his or her lawyers so they will be able to take civil actions against the collector.

So the state is keeping the kids/ex-kids fully aware of their pictures being in circulation.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 03:11 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye you are behind the times as the state when it come across someone that is a known victim in a collection will notify that person and or his or her lawyers so they will be able to take civil actions against the collector.


the state never knew that I looked at child porn, so therefore the state could never notify the victim that I looked at child porn. Though I have said here before that in my opinion what the state is doing is re victimizing these kids without a good reason.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 03:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I have seen child porn (real stuff) on the internet a few dozen times over the years, stumbled onto accidently.


You do know that internet browsers keep caches of most anything view on the internet for unknown periods of times?

So just the act of taking your computer in for repairs could end up costing you tens to hundreds of thousand dollars in legal bills beside dragging you name in the mud if the computer tech have times on his hands.

A lot of computer repair people also will dig into your computer looking to added to their own porn and music collection also.

I remember once taking my computer in for service for something I did not feel like doing myself and when the demand for a password came up at boot up the tech ask me what the hell that was and my reply is that is an encrypted AES container with all the materials that I do not wish to share with you such as my tax info and my music collection and my porn collection.

.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 03:30 pm
@BillRM,
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I remember once taking my computer in for service for something I did not feel like doing myself and when the demand for a password came up at boot up the tech ask me what the hell that was and my reply is that is an encrypted AES container with all the materials that I do not wish to share with you such as my tax info and my music collection and my porn collection.
You forgot one.
BillRM
 
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Fri 8 May, 2015 03:38 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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You forgot one.


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