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Is it wrong to view child pornography?

 
 
north
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2012 04:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
north wrote:
what bothers me about this thread is that, the victim is sacrificed in order for those who desire this kind of abuse, the victim is never the same and is robbed of any self esteem for the rest of their life where is the victims psychology of importance here ? has it become okay to destroy the victim for sexual want ? it is so and is this another example of the ME generation ? its all about me , the consequences don't matter, I think it has, and its shamful to the extreme
Quote:
I try to put myself into the mind of such a child actor, by remembering myself in childhood. It did not occur to me to raise funds by offering my services in that endeavor ( indeed, I did not work at all, not needing additional cash ), but it seems to me that if I had accepted that job, I 'd not have been "sacrificed" nor woud my self esteem have been affected, neither then nor now, many decades later.
north wrote:
so you weren't abused
I have never been abused in any way that I can remember. I was interested in the reasoning of your post, as to WHAT u had in mind, in a specific sense. Do u choose to reveal what u believe happens in this regard ?


it all about the abuser its the "me " generation from the sixties , thats the way I look at it anyway

OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Tue 31 Jul, 2012 04:18 pm
@north,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
north wrote:
what bothers me about this thread is that, the victim is sacrificed in order for those who desire this kind of abuse, the victim is never the same and is robbed of any self esteem for the rest of their life where is the victims psychology of importance here ? has it become okay to destroy the victim for sexual want ? it is so and is this another example of the ME generation ? its all about me , the consequences don't matter, I think it has, and its shamful to the extreme
Quote:
I try to put myself into the mind of such a child actor, by remembering myself in childhood. It did not occur to me to raise funds by offering my services in that endeavor ( indeed, I did not work at all, not needing additional cash ), but it seems to me that if I had accepted that job, I 'd not have been "sacrificed" nor woud my self esteem have been affected, neither then nor now, many decades later.
north wrote:
so you weren't abused
I have never been abused in any way that I can remember. I was interested in the reasoning of your post, as to WHAT u had in mind, in a specific sense. Do u choose to reveal what u believe happens in this regard ?
north wrote:
it all about the abuser its the "me " generation from the sixties, thats the way I look at it anyway
The ME Generation was supposed to be the1980s: the Reagan Era.

I LOVE to probe psychology. To me, how people think,
is magneticly interesting as a goal in itself. I am interested
in understanding your opinions and understanding the reasoning that underlies your opinions.

How about a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: (Thay are fun.)
Let 's imagine that I can and do go back in time
to when I was 1O years old. I discover that
instead of enjoying sex for free, I can get a job
that PAYS me for it, with photografy involved.

I agree with the photografer in regard to compensation,
maybe $2OO an hour and we proceed with erotic entertainment.
At the end of the day, he pays me and I go on my way.

As u see it: HOW does the "sacrifice" and the negative
self esteem become involved ?
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north
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2012 04:31 pm

Quote:
The ME Generationwas supposed to be the1980s: the Reagan Era.


ah.. no , it was the sixties

I LOVEto probe psychology. To me, how people think,
is magneticly interesting as a goal in itself. I am interested
in understandingyour opinions and understanding the reasoning that underlies your opinions.

Quote:
How about a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: (Thay are fun.)
Let 's imagine that I can and do go back in time
to when I was 1O years old. I discover that
instead of enjoying sex for free, I can get a job
that PAYSme for it, with photografy involved.

I agree with the photografer in regard to compensation,
maybe $2OO an hour and we proceed with erotic entertainment.
At the end of the day, he pays me and I go on my way.

As u see it: HOWdoes the "sacrifice"and the negative
self esteem become involved


brainwashing a 10 yr/old is despicable
OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 31 Jul, 2012 04:47 pm
@north,
I agree that brainwashing anyone is "despicable".
I don 't believe that brainwashing is agains the law in question.

How about if I had taken that job, for money that I deemed good,
in an unbrainwashed condition ??

I lived thru the 60s and the 80s; the 80s were the ME Generation.
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on1x1
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:47 am
@agrote,
very nice
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:33 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Do agrote's ideas remind anyone else of OmSigDavid's crazy notion
that if only more people had guns there would be less people getting shot?
An ARMED society is a POLITE society.
Since its inception as a State, around 1792, Vermont has never had any gun laws,
yet it has always had a very, very low rate of crime, per annual FBI statistics.





David
farmerman
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 07:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:

An ARMED society is a POLITE society.


Except for the individual who goes around killing tens of people in public gathering places every few weeks and then, on top of that, likes to kill about 10 Americans A DAY with a gun. We must find this individual so the rest of the polite gun owners dont get a bad rap.
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 07:46 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You're so OCD about guns that you replied to a four-year-old comment?

I'm beginning to think you've got dementia, and your gun programming is the only thing keeping you going.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 08:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
An ARMED society is a POLITE society.


I like living in a rude society, where people behave normally, and if I give someone the V sign for cutting me up, they won't blow my head off.

OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 16 Aug, 2012 01:10 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
You're so OCD about guns that you replied to a four-year-old comment?

I'm beginning to think you've got dementia,
and your gun programming is the only thing keeping you going.
There is nothing rong with doing that.
It is not inconsistent with the dissemination of ideas,
which is the function of this forum. Ideas r timeless n don't expire.

Have u appointed yourself to be my psychiatrist,
offering gratuitous diagnoses??
TimeTravel
 
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Mon 27 Aug, 2012 10:41 am
@agrote,
Yes it is wrong to view child pornography, and the only credit I shall give you involves the fact that child pornography promoting people can publish illegal child porn in legal forums, unnoticed, so any enforcement shall unfortunately target some people who were seeking a legal venue. The solution to this is much harder severe punishment for the publishers of child porn, and the producers of child porn. Many viewers of child porn downloaded child porn thinking it was legal porn of adults. I condemn your assumptions; poor ethics, abnormal psychology and personality, and false conclusions.

It is not accurate that " paedophiles cannot help their sexuality." If a dog keeps doing bad things, it is quite possible to train it, or convince it, to stop. We already offer positive reinforcement because sex with legal adults is fantastic, I did much research on this. If positive reinforcement does not work in stopping deviant illegal unethical behavior, negative reinforcement is the next step. Methods that work well include beating the dog, or rubbing his face in urine and dung. You can also make him sleep outside in subzero weather, and physical castration works wonders in calming down a bad dog. If you try several methods of negative reinforcement, including castration, and the dog still breaks important rules, killing the dog is often justified, and the BEST solution. To dispose of the dog, I personally advocate feeding it to angry birds, such as crows, turkey vultures, and vultures.
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chicalleje
 
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Mon 27 Aug, 2012 11:51 am
Too much fascism, I wonder if a reply like "We should kill the abusers and all of they relatives" would have more thumbs up that one that really consider the problem.

I think that viewing free distributed photograps of abused children does not hurt children in any manner, but the act of viewing them -even if they are free- produce a demand for new content. You can see it in any type of free services on the web, but also would be posible this effect if the material would be given at a medical center like medicine.

Another consideration that came to me, I will put myself as an example. I've never watch philosophical content on video until a was a grown up man, I knew that philosophy existed, but I never encounter directly. One day a was wasting time on youtube and I saw a video that inmediatly I knew that would change my life in some way or the other and look at this, now I like philosophy so much I can even consider to discuss it with other. Good luck it was philosophy and not child abuse content.
I'm not saying that that video make me like philosophy, surely there were something in me that made me like it, but maybe if I've watched a literature oriented video I would end up liking more that subjet, becouse I like the artistic side of philosophy and not de rigid logic one. I'm saying that a person does not have only one sexuality, the daily habits can shape and reinforce the sexual desires.

I can also note that child pornography content free distributed would be (I gess) easier to obtain, making it easier to be accesible not only to people that like to view it but also for children themselves and they may have not yet formed their sexuality completely.

This are certain probles that I can think of right now. Sorry for my english, I can't express completely my thouths.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 27 Aug, 2012 07:01 pm
@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:
An ARMED society is a POLITE society.
izzythepush wrote:
I like living in a rude society, where people behave normally,
and if I give someone the V sign for cutting me up, they won't blow my head off.
Winston Churchill used to do that.
Maybe he got that from U ??
izzythepush
 
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Tue 28 Aug, 2012 03:35 am
@OmSigDAVID,
It's apocryphally linked to the Battle of Agincourt.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 06:29 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It's apocryphally linked to the Battle of Agincourt.
led to Victory by Henry V





David
izzythepush
 
  0  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 06:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The story goes that because the Eglish longbow was so effective the French would remove the first two fingers of any bowman they captured. So the archers would make the V sign to show they could still fire a longbow.

Well done for spotting the right king. Do you know they sailed from Southampton?
DrewDad
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 07:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Ideas r timeless n don't expire.

Right... that's why the Thomas Jefferson never wrote the Declaration of Independence and the US is still a colony... because we all still buy into the divine right of kings.

That's why we still have slavery, and black people only count as 3/5 of a person.

OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 09:25 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Ideas r timeless n don't expire.

Right... that's why the Thomas Jefferson never wrote the Declaration of Independence
and the US is still a colony... because we all still buy into the divine right of kings.

That's why we still have slavery, and black people only count as 3/5 of a person.
That 's not what I said.
As a true liberal, u love to distort.
It does not work.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 09:30 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
The story goes that because the Eglish longbow was so effective the French would remove the first two fingers
of any bowman they captured.
Thay 'd have more likely been slaughtered.


izzythepush wrote:
So the archers would make the V sign to show they could still fire a longbow.

Well done for spotting the right king.
He was famous for that, more than anything else.



izzythepush wrote:
Do you know they sailed from Southampton?
Y not Dover ??
izzythepush
 
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Thu 30 Aug, 2012 03:46 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
izzythepush wrote:
Do you know they sailed from Southampton?
Y not Dover ??


That's exactly what Rommel said.
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