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Is it wrong to view child pornography?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 10:26 am

I remember, years ago, one evening I was walking home along the sidewalk
past some trees. Under a low hanging tree was a parked car.
I could not help but see, as I passed: 2 young people making love inside the car. I recognized the girl.

I wonder whether I was less moral after I passed that car
than I was earlier in the day before I began to go home.
Rockhead
 
  3  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 10:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
only if you went back again to see if you could view some more, dave...
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 10:31 am
@Rockhead,
Thank u.
I was more interested in going home.
Rockhead
 
  3  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 10:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
that's ok, dave.

I'm certain you'd have felt differently had one of them had a gun...
OmSigDAVID
 
  -2  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 11:00 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
that's ok, dave.

I'm certain you'd have felt differently had one of them had a gun...
Carrying a gun is a good AMERICAN, Individualistic thing to do. It has a certain DECENCY to it.



It might get in the way when u r making love, tho.
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north
 
  1  
Tue 11 Oct, 2011 11:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,

Rockhead wrote:
were they filming it?


Quote:
I don 't think so.


Quote:
What if the lovers chose to raise cash by putting up a camera
and selling the results? Shoud thay then be morally (or legally)
entitled to civilly sue anyone (purchasers) who sees their published photografy?


Quote:
North, do u have an opinion on that point ?


I can't make sense of you here

first they want to make cash , by selling the film of what they did

then be able to sue anybody who buys the film ?

how old are these lovers ?





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:23 am
@north,
north wrote:


Rockhead wrote:
were they filming it?


David wrote:
I don 't think so.


David wrote:
What if the lovers chose to raise cash by putting up a camera
and selling the results? Shoud thay then be morally (or legally)
entitled to civilly sue anyone (purchasers) who sees their published photografy?


Quote:
North, do u have an opinion on that point ?


I can't make sense of you here

first they want to make cash , by selling the film of what they did

then be able to sue anybody who buys the film ?

how old are these lovers ?





David
The girl was 15 the boy looked about the same,
but I dunno.

Yes. U stated the situation accurately.

1. Thay sell CP of themselves making love.
2. Thay sue their customers for looking at their merchandise.

Incidentally, not long thereafter,
the girl was pregnant n subsequently gave birth to a daughter.
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Old Goat
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:25 am
And who says that romance is dead?......
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:42 am
@Old Goat,
By now, the product of their union
coud be a grandmother.
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gungasnake
 
  0  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 03:11 am
I have zero use for pedophiles and/or child pornography...

But I have a big problem with any law enforcement agents being able to raid computers LOOKING for such stuff; just way too many ways image files could get PUT on computers by viruses or hacking activities without the owner even knowing anything about it. What you're talking about is basically a flavor of thought crime and there's no really certain way to even say whose thoughts in all cases.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 05:40 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
I have zero use for pedophiles and/or child pornography...

But I have a big problem with any law enforcement agents being able to raid computers LOOKING for such stuff; just way too many ways image files could get PUT on computers by viruses or hacking activities without the owner even knowing anything about it. What you're talking about is basically a flavor of thought crime and there's no really certain way to even say whose thoughts in all cases.
Yes; thought crime is old news,
e.g., during the Korean War, we captured a lot of Red Chinese
soldiers carrying pocket diaries in which thay were required
by their commissars to record their thoughts periodically
thru out the day.

If the commissar became suspicious that the soldier
was less than candid, he 'd be in serious trouble.

All my life, I 've been fascinated by how people think,
including people who vote the same way that I do,
e.g., when I was beginning my career as a trial lawyer,
I worked with an older conservative trial lawyer,
who expressed objections to my having our
investigators fully explore the facts of a case
because a witness who appeared to have
exculpatory knowledge favoring our client was a child.
(I coud not possibly care less than I did qua the age
of the witness.) I pointed out that our duty was to
our client; we had no duty to any witness; age was irrelevant.
Getting the job done was very relevant.
I argued that failure to ascertain the facts n use them for our case
was malpractice n professional negligence against our client
and I methodically probed his arguments against taking a statement
from the juvenile witness. In the end, he said that if the witness
were HIS daughter, he 'd not want her statement to be taken
(i.e., he preferred to expose the firm to a judgment for malpractice
for, in effect, abandoning our client by neglecting necessary work).
I SENT out the investigator to do his job.

The interface between the rational analysis of calculation
(e.g., when u r planning your tax strategy) and naked emotion
(e.g., what turns u on in the opposite gender or what political principles u lust for)
is deeply interesting, at least to MY mind.

This interface reveals itself optimally in certain sore points,
or "hot button issues", e.g. abortion, racial discrimination,
gun control, and the censorship of erotic materials, especially if children r concerned.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2011 08:00 am
...having to stumble in this thread on the philosophy forum is beyond repulsive...
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 08:06 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...having to stumble in this thread on the philosophy forum is beyond repulsive...
Oh, you poor thing.....
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 10:55 am
@hawkeye10,
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 11:30 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Adolf is very cute.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 11:32 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
...having to stumble in this thread on the philosophy forum is beyond repulsive...
The law is founded upon philosophy.
It has been compared (unfavorably) to making sausage.
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gungasnake
 
  0  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:41 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeV-DI09Q3w&feature=fvst
Fil Albuquerque
 
  0  
Wed 12 Oct, 2011 04:50 pm
@gungasnake,
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SynnGrim
 
  1  
Thu 20 Oct, 2011 04:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
not agreeing with his particular views though I find your request very silly. A- you are on public forum which means publicly people may post what they chose. B- if it is so offensive to you and the rest of the people sharing their opinions than why did you even bother coming to this forum if not for a chance to tell this person what he may and may not say on a public forum. You may want to do yourself a favor and just not click on titles that appear offensive to you.

Just saying.

and as for the subject, I personally am disgusted at the idea of child pornography,virtual and non virtual, but if drawn child pornography was made illegal it would indeed have bad results. I don't have to look at it and neither does anyone, it's not gonna be put on billboards and it does not harm non fictional children in any way. So why restrict others with issues for it and cause a potentially bad consequence?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 20 Oct, 2011 05:55 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Do agrote's ideas remind anyone else of OmSigDavid's crazy notion that if only more people
had guns there would be less people getting shot?
A WELL ARMED society is a POLITE society.





David
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