Is it wrong to view child pornography?

Have u probed his feelings, his representations, to u?
In other words, have u asked him the reason that he thinks its "wrong" to look at it ?

In America one is not allowed to believe that looking at child porn is OK, this is one of our taboos.
To argue in favor of allowing child porn is to define yourself as sick, and the argument falls on deaf ears, as Agrote found out.

U r saying that reasoning is subordinated to emotion, pre-emptively; is that accurate ?

U r saying that reasoning is subordinated to emotion, pre-emptively; is that accurate ?

Of course...Americans would not be so easily manipulated by fear if this were not so. In part this is due to Americans being very emotional people,

we are now used to indulging our emotions; is because Americans have trashed masculinity which used to be a prophylactic against over emotionalism;

is because Americans are poorly educated thus dont have the ability to reason or to know the truth; and lastly is because are spiritually empty and so we are always looking for something to fill that hole with and are unable to stake our ground and stick to it.

I think the Italians, maybe the French r more emotional; yes?

I dunno about that, Hawkeye; I don 't feel less masculine. Do u feel less masculine

HOW do u propose that we spiritually fill that hole ?

I think the Italians, maybe the French r more emotional; yes?

IDK, i am not Italian nor French,

I only know that in America we are much more emotional than we were back when we were a stronger and better country, and that I continue to see emotional manipulation employed with success.

I dunno about that, Hawkeye; I don 't feel less masculine.
Do u feel less masculine ?

no, but I was forged a long time ago....I do however see much less masculinity in our society especially among the young, and I see those men who do display masculinity increasingly under attack for doing so. Women are supposed to become more masculine than their mothers were and men are supposed to become more feminine than their fathers were, those who resist the imperative are subjected to sanctions.

HOW do u propose that we spiritually fill that hole ?

Spiritually healing a lost and broken people is the most difficult task of civilization, and ours is now very weak and thus not up to the job. I dont think this gets fixed until this civilization dies and the next one is born. It will not be long, but I will not live to see it, but my kids might.

Where were u born ?

WHAT sanctions

How does a civilization die ?

We 'd surely become The Borg

We 'd surely become The Borg

No, you are familiar with America which has lost its way, enlightened governments can and sometimes to refuse to use their capacity to run over the citizen. Personal freedom and government are only adversaries if the government insists upon making the situation so.

To argue in favor of allowing child porn is to define yourself as sick, and the argument falls on deaf ears, as Agrote found out.

hawkeye10 wrote:

To argue in favor of allowing child porn is to define yourself as sick, and the argument falls on deaf ears, as Agrote found out.

Agrote, it turned out, was merely looking for an ethical loophole that would allow him to conform to society's condemnation of child pornography in general while still viewing it himself in practice. His was an inherently dishonest position that had little to do with a desire to redefine the way we look at child porn and a great deal to do with his desire to indulge his own perversions with a clear conscience.

agreed

and to add where does the impact upon the child come into this as well

my goodness , what of the child , what of the child !!!!

agreed

and to add where does the impact upon the child come into this as well

my goodness , what of the child , what of the child !!!!

Shoud the child have the legal right to sue in tort
for compensatory money damages?

agreed

and to add where does the impact upon the child come into this as well

my goodness , what of the child , what of the child !!!!

Shoud the child have the legal right to sue in tort
for compensatory money damages?

yes

but money never heals the psychological damage upon the child

but money never heals the psychological damage upon the child

but money never heals the psychological damage upon the child

And the oft made claim that the child is damaged even it he/she never even knows that the pic of them exist, even if those who view the pic never have a name to put to the face, is truly ridiculous.

It woud be only a matter of time. I don 't say that it woud be instant

agreed

and to add where does the impact upon the child come into this as well

my goodness , what of the child , what of the child !!!!

Shoud the child have the legal right to sue in tort
for compensatory money damages?

yes

but money never heals the psychological damage upon the child

I see. Well, as a rule, after a plaintiff in a tort trial
has made his case on liability (i.e., proving fault in the defendant),
he must prove the existence and the extent of his personal injuries.

Before we consider damages,
let 's consider who shoud properly be a legally liable defendant.
If when I was a child in Arizona, I found out that someone in Texas
looked at some child pornografy, shoud I be rightfully entitled to compensation for his doing that ?

It woud be only a matter of time. I don 't say that it woud be instant

This is one of the places where you and I split, you think that government can never be trusted and I think that government can sometimes be run by enlightened people who resist the urge to descend into abusing their citizens. I think that we do agree however that the current American government is not worthy of this trust, and that it needs to be taken in hand, shrunk, and retaught who the boss is.