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Is it wrong to view child pornography?

 
 
agrote
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2008 04:47 am
glitterbag wrote:
I can't speak for intrepid, or JoeNation, but something tells me that the three of us would be on cloud nine for the chance to meet and greet argote (the reluctant and intellectual molester) in person. Don't count on the United Kingdom to protect the child molesters, they participate with other civilizations to put the like-minded child perverts away where they can't corrupt families. It's just a matter of time before someone here reports you to the proper authorities, and for all I know the clock is already ticking. Sleep well argote and the apologists.


It is not illegal to discuss a contentious issue on the internet. Except in places like China.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:59 am
I can 't help wondering whether there is any effect upon the incidence
of rape rates of children from viewers of child porn releasing their emotional urges
in the presence of non-living images of children, instead of living children.

We know that neither John Wilkes Booth* nor John Dillinger **
cud satisfy either of their respective desires without dealing with
living people, but is this also true of rapists ?


In other words: is it cathartic ?

Does anyone know of any studies ?




* famous for killing Lincoln
** well known for robbing banks
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:09 am
A hypothetical question
addressed to all supporters of censorship of child porn:

If u knew that all rape of any children wud end
by the rapists instead viewing non-living photografic images of children,
none of whom were raped and all of whom were well paid
for their services as photografic models,
wud u then approve of ending censorship of this kind of photografy
and restoring a laissez faire free market ?
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Intrepid
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jul, 2008 06:31 pm
Your hypothetical is full of holes. You are presupposing that a rapist would not rape if he looked at a picture. You are living in a never never land if you believe this.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jul, 2008 01:59 am
shewolfnm wrote:
Looking at the picture does not hurt the child.

What hurts the child was making that picture, how ever it was done.

Just like most of you perverts can look across the grocery store and see a child that you can later think about, your "looking" doesnt effect them.
No one knows what is in your mind and just looking out of the corner of your eye harms no one. The parents will never know you just took an inventory of their child for your later pleasure. Though sometimes.. we do.. because you pervs are obvious.
But for the most part no one knows.

And you know this. You have your answer
You are just looking for someone to publicly agree with your twisted sexual ideas to kids.

looking harms no one. Your thoughts are private and not dangerous to anyone. It is your actions that hurt.
Purchasing that photo you have has further created income for someone other then you I hope, and given them reason to produce more.

I dont think I have seen very many topics from you that dont involve sex and kids..

as I said before. Stay away from my children.

" Father-of-three branded a 'pervert' - for photographing his own children in public park "
I guess he shud only have looked at the children
out of the CORNER of his eye; that 's where he went rong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1035315/Father-branded-pervert--photographing-children-public-park.html




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jul, 2008 01:36 pm
Joe Nation wrote:

Someone who garners pleasure
from the pain of damaged children

( and then asks if it is wrong) is likely to be so morally obtuse that is
a waste of effort to explain why it is most certainly wrong, so I won't bother,
but I will say that it is my frevent hope that on your first day in prison
(which is where you are going if you don't desist) that they hold you down
in the yard, arms and legs, while a grownup abused child scoops your
eyes out with a spoon.

Joe(get me?)Nation

Did Agrote identify himself as a sadist
who garners pleasure from damaged children ?

Agrote aside for the moment,
let us consider, in theory:
if a child wanted a part time job
but was not satisfied to deliver newspapers
and therefore went out and got a better paying
part time job in nude modeling
for good money (let 's say $1,000 an hour)
and was not subjected
to any sexual conduct (remaining fully virginal),
do u believe that this causes pain or damage to the nude model ?

If so, is this different in children and adults ?

Do u believe that the girls of Playboy (adults; maybe teenagers; I don't know)
are in pain or that thay were damaged ?


Without personal acrimony or vilification,
will u indicate how the pain or damage occurs ?

Please note that I am not saying that you are right or wrong;
I only ask what you believe on this point.




David
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glitterbag
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 12:00 am
Just for clairification, how many of the posters here are willing to admit that they were abused sometime under the age of 12. I'll go first, I was molested by my childhood friends' grandfather when I was 10, two doors down from my family home. And no, I won't supply details to anyone who wants to "imagine what might have happened". I was lucky in that I was able to get away from him quickly (15 minutes) but as a 10-year old, I was reluctant to inform my father, who would have beaten him to a pulp, because all the important adult men in my life (father, grandfathers, uncles, family friends....never abused me...and I was confused) Most of the men posting here would rather have their arms chopped off before they would assault a child, but sadly it happens. And healty adults do not exploit young people.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 12:51 am
glitterbag wrote:

Just for clairification, how many of the posters here are willing to admit
that they were abused sometime under the age of 12. I'll go first, I was molested
by my childhood friends' grandfather when I was 10, two doors down
from my family home. And no, I won't supply details to anyone who
wants to "imagine what might have happened". I was lucky in that I was able
to get away from him quickly (15 minutes) but as a 10-year old, I was
reluctant to inform my father, who would have beaten him to a pulp,
because all the important adult men in my life (father, grandfathers,
uncles, family friends....never abused me...and I was confused) Most of
the men posting here would rather have their arms chopped off before
they would assault a child, but sadly it happens. And healty adults do not
exploit young people.

That depends upon the definition of "abused".
What happened to u never happened to me.

As I have recently posted on these threads,
I "got lucky" with 2 girls when I was 11:
first with a 17 year old girl,
and on another occasion, with a girl in her early 20s.
Some people have declared that this was abuse.

I do not see it that way and I wud not change it, if I were able to.
I don 't know how u interpret it.

Except for good memories,
these experiences had no future effects upon me.


David
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glitterbag
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 10:50 am
Well thanks for all the background, but I don't care to discuss anything any longer on this disturbing thread, so I will turn off the updates. Have a nice life mon illiterate.
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shewolfnm
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 10:58 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
shewolfnm wrote:
........



You .Leave. me. out of your arguements.
I am not part of this thread nor do I want to be.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 12:28 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
shewolfnm wrote:
........



You .Leave. me. out of your arguements.
I am not part of this thread nor do I want to be.

Are you ENTITLED to that immunity ?
Is that what the applicable rules provide ?

It seems to me that any person who posts
can be cited for whatever he posts.

If I am mistaken on this point, I hope that u will indicate HOW.
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joefromchicago
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 01:35 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
As I have recently posted on these threads,
I "got lucky" with 2 girls when I was 11:
first with a 17 year old girl,
and on another occasion, with a girl in her early 20s.
Some people have declared that this was abuse.

I do not see it that way and I wud not change it, if I were able to.
I don 't know how u interpret it.

Except for good memories,
these experiences had no future effects upon me.

Studies have recently shown that sex before the age of 12 leads to bad spelling in adulthood.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 18 Jul, 2008 03:02 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
As I have recently posted on these threads,
I "got lucky" with 2 girls when I was 11:
first with a 17 year old girl,
and on another occasion, with a girl in her early 20s.
Some people have declared that this was abuse.

I do not see it that way and I wud not change it, if I were able to.
I don 't know how u interpret it.

Except for good memories,
these experiences had no future effects upon me.

Studies have recently shown that sex before the age of 12 leads to bad spelling in adulthood.

Yeah; thay r true.
It took me years and decades to throw off the old non-fonetic paradime,
after I retired from practicing law.
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jessica88
 
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Fri 7 Oct, 2011 10:48 am
@agrote,
I'm curenntlly trying to get my significant other help for his addiction to child pornography. my first step was obvioulsly to stop him from accesing it anymore. My belifes on it being that continuing to view it would only encourage his urges, untill he actually acts upon them, So i am curious as to why you believe allowing him to view them would be better.
JLNobody
 
  1  
Fri 7 Oct, 2011 11:11 am
Why is this in the philosophy forum, because of the word "wrong"?
joefromchicago
 
  2  
Fri 7 Oct, 2011 11:45 am
@JLNobody,
Because agrote framed his original question as an ethical problem:

Quote:
I'm aware of how controversial my views on this subject are, so I am interested to hear what people have to say about the ethical claims I am making.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 7 Oct, 2011 04:03 pm
@jessica88,
What r his opinions on the subject ?
jessica88
 
  1  
Sun 9 Oct, 2011 07:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
He tells me that he knows what he is doing is wrong, and that he hates himself for it, and he trys to make me feel better by getting rid of what i believe is all of it i but i soon find out there is more.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 9 Oct, 2011 08:58 am
@jessica88,
jessica88 wrote:
He tells me that he knows what he is doing is wrong, and that he hates himself for it,
and he trys to make me feel better by getting rid of what i believe is all of it i but i soon find out there is more.
Have u probed his feelings, his representations, to u?
In other words, have u asked him the reason that he thinks its "wrong" to look at it ?





David
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 9 Oct, 2011 01:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Have u probed his feelings, his representations, to u?
In other words, have u asked him the reason that he thinks its "wrong" to look at it ?
In America one is not allowed to believe that looking at child porn is OK, this is one of our taboos. To argue in favor of allowing child porn is to define yourself as sick, and the argument falls on deaf ears, as Agrote found out.
 

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