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Obama - Cocky Ignorance

 
 
Francis
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:19 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
my psyche has no nationality.


I do believe many people cannot fully understand this statement.

It has more meaning that it seems..
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:20 pm
thank you, francis. i sure agree.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:28 pm
I think it means that her vote is meaningless. Too bad it isn't.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:35 pm
it has actually absolutely nothing to do with that.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:43 pm
Back to the subject...

Friends of Barack

June 11, 2008

Barack Obama may have come up with a creative way to solve the housing recession: Let everyone buy property at a discount the way he did from Tony Rezko, and give everyone in America a discount mortgage the way Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide did for Fannie Mae's Jim Johnson. Team Obama's real estate and mortgage transactions are certainly a change from business as usual. They suggest old-fashioned back-scratching below even current Beltway standards.

A former CEO of mortgage financing giant Fannie Mae, Mr. Johnson is now vetting Vice Presidential candidates for Mr. Obama. But he is also a textbook case for poor disclosure as regulators sifted through the wreckage of Fannie's $10 billion accounting scandal. Despite an exhaustive federal inquiry, Mr. Johnson managed to avoid disclosing one very special perk: below-market interest-rate mortgages from Countrywide Financial, arranged by Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo. Journal reporters Glenn Simpson and James Hagerty broke the story this weekend.

Fannie Mae tells us that Mr. Johnson did not inform the company's board of these sweetheart mortgage deals, nor did his CEO successor Franklin Raines, who also received such loans. We can understand why. Fannie bought mortgages from loan originator Countrywide, and then packaged them into securities for sale or kept the loans and profited from the interest. Mr. Mozilo told Dow Jones in 1995 that he was "working very closely . . . with Jim Johnson of Fannie Mae to come up with a rational method of making the process more efficient by the use of credit scoring."

Since Fannie was buying Countrywide's loans, under terms set by Mr. Johnson and later Mr. Raines - or by people in their employ - the fact that Fannie's CEO had a separate personal financial relationship with Countrywide was an obvious conflict of interest. The company's code of conduct required prior approval of such arrangements. Neither Mr. Johnson nor Mr. Raines sought such approval, according to Fannie.

Even if they had received waivers from the board to enjoy these perks, conscientious board members would then have wanted to disclose the waivers to investors. Post-Enron, the Sarbanes-Oxley law requires such disclosures. But even in the late-1990s, when the Friends of Angelo loans began, board members would likely have raised red flags.

Former SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt tells us that "the best way to deal with issues like this is not to have these kinds of relationships. From both the Countrywide and the Fannie perspective, it is simply bad policy to permit loans to 'friends' on more favorable terms than others similarly situated would be able to get."


One question is whether Messrs. Johnson and Raines were using their position to pad their own incomes that were already fabulous thanks to an implicit taxpayer subsidy. (See the table in link above.) But the bigger issue is whether they steered Fannie policy into giving Mr. Mozilo and Countrywide favorable pricing, which means they helped to facilitate the mortgage boom and bust that Countrywide did so much to promote. A further federal probe would seem to be warranted, and we assume Barney Frank and his fellow mortgage moralists will want to dig into this palm-greasing from Capitol Hill.

The irony here is that Mr. Obama has denounced Mr. Mozilo as part of his populist case against corporate excess, calling Mr. Mozilo and a colleague in March "the folks who are responsible for infecting the economy and helping to create a home foreclosure crisis." Obama campaign manager David Plouffe also said in March that "If we're really going to crack down on the practices that caused the credit and housing crises, we're going to need a leader who doesn't owe these industries any favors." But now this protector of the working class has entrusted his first big task as Presidential nominee to the very man who received "favors" in return for enriching Mr. Mozilo.

Yesterday, ABC News asked Mr. Obama whether he should have more carefully vetted Mr. Johnson and Eric Holder, who is working with Mr. Johnson on veep vetting. Correspondent Sunlen Miller noted Mr. Johnson's loans from Countrywide and Mr. Holder's involvement as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration in the pardon of fugitive Marc Rich. Said Mr. Obama: "Everybody, you know, who is tangentially related to our campaign, I think, is going to have a whole host of relationships - I would have to hire the vetter to vet the vetters."

Vetting Mr. Johnson's finances would have been time well spent, judging by a May 2006 report from Fannie Mae's regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (Ofheo). Even if Mr. Obama considers the advisers helping him select a running mate "tangentially related" to his campaign, he might have thought twice about any relationship with Mr. Johnson.

Addressing the company's too smooth (and fraudulent) reported earnings growth in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Ofheo reported: "Those achievements were illusions deliberately and systematically created by the Enterprise's senior management with the aid of inappropriate accounting and improper earnings management . . . By deliberately and intentionally manipulating accounting to hit earnings targets, senior management maximized the bonuses and other executive compensation they received, at the expense of shareholders."

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The regulator described how, despite an internal Fannie analysis that valued Mr. Johnson's 1998 compensation at almost $21 million, the summary compensation table in the firm's 1999 proxy suggested his pay was no more than $7 million. Ofheo found that Fannie had actually drafted talking points to deflect such media questions as: "He's trying to hide how much he's made, isn't he?" and "Gimme a break. He's hiding his compensation."

To this list we would add one more, directed at Mr. Obama: Is this what you mean by bringing change to Washington?

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Now, we have the outrage over McCain having some former lobbyists involved in his campaign, I look forward to the same outrage about this... I'll not hold my breath though.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 12:44 pm
but... back to Obama. cjhsa, you can express opinions about me elsewhere if you must (respectfully is all i request). this is not the place.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 01:09 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
but... back to Obama. cjhsa, you can express opinions about me elsewhere if you must (respectfully is all i request). this is not the place.


I was just using you as a generic example of a lot of recent immigrants from Europe and the former soviet block. It seems that they like that nurturing central government model that they escaped from, yet fail to appreciated the less intrusive form of government we have here. So they help make it more intrusive.

Some of us don't like that. Some crazy, mad people like me, want to shrink government and privatize as much as possible. We don't expect the government to hand hold us and tell us how to live all aspects of our lives, it's not what they're for.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 01:33 pm
Re: Obama - Cocky Ignorance
McGentrix wrote:
Cocky Ignorance
By Thomas Sowell

Now that Senator Barack Obama has become the Democrats' nominee for President of the United States, to the cheers of the media at home and abroad, he has written a letter to the Secretary of Defense, in a tone as if he is already President, addressing one of his subordinates.

The letter ends: "I look forward to your swift response."


Actually, it's not the first letter he's written to Gates. He wrote one last September about Blackwater, and it ended the same way.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070920-obama_calls_on_15/
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 06:59 pm
Francis wrote:
dagmaraka wrote:
my psyche has no nationality.


I do believe many people cannot fully understand this statement..

Well said though.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 07:00 pm
cjhsa wrote:
dagmaraka wrote:
but... back to Obama. cjhsa, you can express opinions about me elsewhere if you must (respectfully is all i request). this is not the place.


I was just using you as a generic example of a lot of recent immigrants from Europe and the former soviet block. It seems that they like that nurturing central government model that they escaped from, yet fail to appreciated the less intrusive form of government we have here. So they help make it more intrusive.

Some of us don't like that. Some crazy, mad people like me, want to shrink government and privatize as much as possible. We don't expect the government to hand hold us and tell us how to live all aspects of our lives, it's not what they're for.


well, don't use me as a generic example of anything. you don't know me.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 08:42 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
foofie, i have studied and taught here for years. i have read tons.

my psyche has no nationality.


Well, la de da (paraphrasing Diane Keaton's responses to Woody Allen in Annie Hall, I believe) your psyche has no nationality. However, many people in many countries do MOST CERTAINLY have a psyche with a nationality. I would think they exist in all countries, and the United States has every right to have citizens with a U.S. psyche. Nor, is there any reason for anyone to think of a "no nationality psyche" as a virtue, a la "I'm a vegeterian," sort of boast.

My psyche is just plain old American. While everyone in the U.S., excluding the Native American Indians, has family that came from somewhere else, the U.S. is then relegated to some sort of 3,000 mile wide Grand Central Station, in the minds of some people that come to this country. Not true. Americans are very much a nationality, just with a diverse line of descent.

In my opinion, to tell someone that the U.S. is one's home, yet one's psyche has no nationality, can be viewed by some as a less than authentic feeling that the U.S. is one's home, since there are so many Americans that believe that to feel that this country is truly one's home, then one's psyche must feel American too. But, if you are a psyche without a nationality, I wouldn't be rude and say, "arouse!", but don't be surprised if you meet people in the U.S. that can't deal comfortably with that dichotomy.

Mind you, for all the hoopla about the EU, there are many Europeans that feel German first, or British first, or French first, and then only accept that they are part of the European Union. So, Americans may be ahead, in that we don't necessarily feel like Ohioans first, or New Yorkers first, or Texans first. We might just feel like Americans first and then second from the state we hail from. Oh my gosh, am I saying Americans may be more advanced in their national identity than Europeans? Fie on me!
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 08:43 pm
your opinion. mine is different. start a thread if you want to go off on it. this one is on obama.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 08:53 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
your opinion. mine is different. start a thread if you want to go off on it. this one is on obama.


Nyet!
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 08:59 pm
whatever.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 09:43 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I was just using you as a generic example of a lot of recent immigrants from Europe and the former soviet block.

No. You may have been using her as an example, but a specific person is hardly "generic."

(And it's "bloc.")
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 09:48 pm
Wow, how did I miss this...

(writer's bloc?)

RH
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 06:42 am
Who the ---"k" cares?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 06:56 am
The usual bunch of idiots at the WSJ wrote:
Barack Obama may have come up with a creative way to solve the housing recession: Let everyone buy property at a discount the way he did from Tony Rezko...

Obama didn't buy any property at a discount from Tony Rezko.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 07:00 am
Yeah, the WSJ is just full of idiots... Rolling Eyes
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 07:02 am
cjhsa wrote:
Yeah, the WSJ is just full of idiots

I knew we could agree on something.
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