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Sat 31 May, 2008 06:09 am
After just reading another post on another thread where someone is trying to reduce Obama to a one-trick pony who just goes around mouthing empty platitudes, I came accross this editorial by Eugene Robinson in the Washington Post.
In it, he talks about something I think illustrates just one of the many clear ways people will be able to make an informed and intelligent (if they are so predisposed) choice come November between Obama and McCain.
In the case of policy on cuba, the choice is between sense and insanity.
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For nearly five decades, the United States has pursued a policy toward Cuba that could be described as incredibly stupid.
It could also be called childish and counterproductive -- and, since the demise of the Soviet Union, even insane. Absent the threat of communist expansionism, the refusal by successive American presidents to engage with Cuba has not even a fig leaf's worth of rationale to cover its naked illogic. Other than providing Fidel Castro with a convenient antagonist to help whip up nationalist fervor on the island -- and prolong his rule -- the U.S. trade embargo and other sanctions have accomplished nothing.
Now, with Fidel ailing and retired, and his brother Raúl acting large and in charge, the United States has its best opportunity in years to influence the course of events on the island. George W. Bush, as one might have expected, won't do the right thing. It will be up to the next president.
Raúl Castro is 76, and since assuming the presidency he has acted as if he knows he doesn't have much time to waste. In short order, he has repealed the prohibition against Cubans buying computers, cellphones and other consumer goods -- items that Fidel feared might facilitate sedition or promote counterrevolutionary comfort and lassitude.
It's true that these measures are largely symbolic -- on an average salary of about $17 a month, most Cubans can't dream of buying computers, and, in any event, the Cuban government still strictly controls access to the Internet. Likewise, any Cuban who owns a cellphone can't use it without paying the astronomical rates demanded by the government cellphone monopoly.
But at the same time, Raúl has encouraged the first stirrings of debate in the government-controlled media (which are the only media) -- something Fidel never would have allowed. Rumors that the government will soon permit widespread private ownership of automobiles, and perhaps even allow an above-board private market in real estate, seem much less implausible than they would have just six months ago.
I've been to Cuba as a journalist 10 times, and friends there -- including some harsh critics of the Castro regime -- say that there is real optimism about the prospects for change.
Bush's response has been a cold shoulder. In remarks a few days ago, the president did little but state the obvious fact that Raúl Castro is not, and never will be, a believer in democracy. He dismissed the recent measures as "empty gestures at reform," and then made an empty gesture of his own: He said he would change U.S. policy to allow Cuban Americans to send cellphones to their relatives on the island, something many families already do.
Raúl Castro is not going to transform Cuba into a free-market democracy. But he gives every indication of moving down the path that China's leadership has taken, toward making his country a free-market, one-party autocracy. That's not a perfect outcome, as shown by recent events in Tibet. But it's impossible to deny that the Chinese people enjoy far greater personal freedom than they did, say, 20 years ago. Why wouldn't Washington want to encourage Havana to become more like Beijing?
That would require actual engagement with the Cuban government, though, and Bush doesn't intend to allow anything of the sort.
Barack Obama appeared before the Cuban American National Foundation -- one of the most powerful and most strident of the Miami-based anti-Castro groups -- May 23 and said that if he were president, he would conduct "direct diplomacy" with Cuba's leadership. Earlier last week, John McCain essentially vowed to continue Bush's hard-line course.
Obama's into-the-lion's-den performance may win him some points for bravery, but it may not get him a lot of votes in South Florida. He has the right idea, however. The United States can attempt to influence any changes that eventually take place in Cuba, or it can harrumph from the sidelines. Several of Cuba's leading dissidents have urged the White House to end the decades-old trade embargo and the draconian restrictions on travel to the island. Bush pays no attention to those on the front lines of this struggle.
Stubbornly sticking with a policy that has achieved nothing in nearly 50 years is a pretty good definition of insanity.
There has never been a sane policy toward Cuba, even in pre Castro days. I would be forever grateful to Obama, if he put some sense into the situation.
edgarblythe wrote:There has never been a sane policy toward Cuba, even in pre Castro days. I would be forever grateful to Obama, if he put some sense into the situation.
The current policy makes quite a lot of sense: allow Soviet missiles on your island and you are banished from Eden, so to speak. I don't think any other policy is required or needed. In other words, there is no need for "change," in my opinion.
"Change" is only needed when the price of something might be $5.50, and one only has a five dollar bill; change of 50 cents would then be perfect.
Our Cuba policy has over many decades made us look petty for sure, but I think also unprincipled. As much as we hate it, Castro's power has come from the will of the people. Our Dissing Castro is no different than our approach to Hamas, we are all for the concept of the people deciding, unless of course the people decide on leaders we don't want them to have. Our rhetoric is proven to be hollow by way of our actions. You can't be a little bit pregnant, you either believe in democracy or you don't.
Foofie wrote:edgarblythe wrote:There has never been a sane policy toward Cuba, even in pre Castro days. I would be forever grateful to Obama, if he put some sense into the situation.
The current policy makes quite a lot of sense: allow Soviet missiles on your island and you are banished from Eden, so to speak. I don't think any other policy is required or needed. In other words, there is no need for "change," in my opinion.
"Change" is only needed when the price of something might be $5.50, and one only has a five dollar bill; change of 50 cents would then be perfect.
That was over fifty years ago. That is a long time to carry a grudge. When can we stop? When every single Cuban who was alive (at even one day old) at the time is dead?? Then can we move on and progress? Please??
Foofie wrote:The current policy makes quite a lot of sense: allow Soviet missiles on your island and you are banished from Eden, so to speak. I don't think any other policy is required or needed. In other words, there is no need for "change," in my opinion.
Typical of ill-informed, ill-learned foofie, living his days in deep prejudices from old ages, (ice age, cold war)..
Brrrrr!
hawkeye10 wrote:Our Dissing Castro is no different than our approach to Hamas, we are all for the concept of the people deciding, unless of course the people decide on leaders we don't want them to have. Our rhetoric is proven to be hollow by way of our actions. You can't be a little bit pregnant, you either believe in democracy or you don't.
Unbelievable! In a single week I've agreed with
Finn d'Abuzz and now
Hawkeye. Surely this is one of the signs of the Apocalypse.
Obama has made some policy speeches during the campaign, and I sometimes wonder if his speech writers actually read any of the speeches he gives.
For instance, during his 2004 Senate campaign Obama declared that it was "time for us to end the embargo with Cuba.... It's time for us to acknowledge that that particular policy has failed."
But in a speech he gave in Miami recently he said...
So, does he favor ending the embargo or not?
Personally, I favor ending the embargo.
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It's true that these measures are largely symbolic -- on an average salary of about $17 a month, most Cubans can't dream of buying computers, and, in any event, the Cuban government still strictly controls access to the Internet. Likewise, any Cuban who owns a cellphone can't use it without paying the astronomical rates demanded by the government cellphone monopoly.
What it sounds like is that Cuba could be kept in its present state and used as an eternal reminder, i.e. people who show any interest in communism could be taken on tours of the place and shown how communism actually works. That would almost certainly prevent any recurrences anywhere else in the world.
gungasnake, without the immoral sanctions a tour of Cuba would a blast. Even with the sanctions people from around the world find a pleasant vacation in Cuba.
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gungasnake wrote:Quote:
It's true that these measures are largely symbolic -- on an average salary of about $17 a month, most Cubans can't dream of buying computers, and, in any event, the Cuban government still strictly controls access to the Internet. Likewise, any Cuban who owns a cellphone can't use it without paying the astronomical rates demanded by the government cellphone monopoly.
What it sounds like is that Cuba could be kept in its present state and used as an eternal reminder, i.e. people who show any interest in communism could be taken on tours of the place and shown how communism actually works. That would almost certainly prevent any recurrences anywhere else in the world.
The problem with your argument is that not only in the two important fields of healthcare and education the Cubans preform better than we do, but also when you look at the economy how do you separate what part of the lack of wealth is caused by their systems and what part is caused by the American embargo?? The Cuban economy has always been driven in large part by American tourists dollars, maybe if Americans were allowed to go to Cuba the Island would again be the garden spot of the Caribbean despite the Castro influence.
Obama might just be the guy to bring major league baseball to Havana.
Two points here....
One, if communism actually worked, no sanctions, moral or immoral, would have any effect on the place, they'd be prospering.
Two, the idea of somebody from a normal country taking a "pleasant vacation" in a place where people earn $17 a month is asinine. I mean, I wouldn't even worry about being robbed or kidnapped: I'd worry about being cooked and eaten.
gungasnake wrote:Two, the idea of somebody from a normal country taking a "pleasant vacation" in a place where people earn $17 a month is asinine.
That makes all European countries (at least) asinine, but I'm not surprised of such assumption, probably dictated by ignorance of what really happens there, in Cuba..
Literally thousands of Canadians vacation in Cuba regularly on a regular basis, as do many Americans who travel to Canada to catch their flights to Cuba. It's one of the top three vacation choices of the people I work with - Cuba, D.R. and Mayan Riviera. They love those all-in-one vacation spots.
Granted having one percent of the people living in kibbutzes in a country like Israel probably won't be enough to sink the country...
But the best test was Russia and Eastern Europe. Those guys were not being deprived of anything by the West; they had every sort of natural resource in abundance and talented and industrious people and the whole thing collapsed on account of the system.
I mean, I've never studied communism per-se but I've made the effort to speak and read Russian at least well enough to read Pushkin and Tolstoy and you can't do that without learning and hearing about communism.
In particular whenever I've spoken with Russians whose parents or grandparents lived under the Tsars, I've always asked them the same question:
"Was life worse under the tsars, or under the communists?
The answer always comes back the same way, i.e. that life under the tsars was so unbelievably bad that it never occurred to anybody it could get worse, but that it didn't just get a little bit worse; after ten or twelve years of communism, people spoke of tsarist times as the good old days.