McCain's Electability

I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.

the US has regularly criticized Russia and other countries for spying on their citizens without warrant or cause. But it's okay for us to do
Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

the US has regularly criticized Russia and other countries for spying on their citizens without warrant or cause. But it's okay for us to do
Cycloptichorn

Now that is interesting what cyclops is claiming. If I had time, I would like to find alot more of your quotes, cyclops.

okie wrote:

I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.

Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.

Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Give it up. Go hire all your lawyers to prosecute the thousands of Al Qaida in U.S. courts and clog them till the chickens come home to roost.

I think you guys have lost your marbles. You have lost all ability to reason by your hatred of any Republican.

Our 'lawyers' will be rounding up various members of the Bush cabal for some time to come; there will
be an accounting of responsibility for decisions in the next few years, once the DoJ is out of Bush's hands.

Are you going to conduct a purge in the spirit of your dictator, cyclops?

This all points out how dangerous the left really is.
I don't trust your side very far, cyclops, and have mercy on us all if too many of you get into power.

Are you going to conduct a purge in the spirit of your dictator, cyclops?

This all points out how dangerous the left really is. I don't trust your side very far, cyclops, and have mercy on us all if too many of you get into power.

What a bunch of crap. I grew up in Eastern Houston, around more 'industry' and chemical refineries then one can count. My family works in these places. I have worked in these places. And I'm well aware how much emphasis they put on cleanliness and the environment - not an ounce more then is required by law.

Therefore - as I care about having a clean and non-polluted environment - I support those laws, and there being the ability to enforce those laws. I don't want my kids to have to wonder what they are smelling in the air each and every day, like we did. I'd like to be able to eat fish out of the lakes and rivers and the Gulf of Mexico.

All you conservatives are the same, really - anybody who criticizes anything, why they must just be jealous. It's as if you can't see any other motives for folks then greed or jealousy. I think it's rather revealing personally.

Cycloptichorn

okie wrote:

I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.

Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

What a bunch of crap. I grew up in Eastern Houston, around more 'industry' and chemical refineries then one can count. My family works in these places. I have worked in these places. And I'm well aware how much emphasis they put on cleanliness and the environment - not an ounce more then is required by law.

Therefore - as I care about having a clean and non-polluted environment - I support those laws, and there being the ability to enforce those laws. I don't want my kids to have to wonder what they are smelling in the air each and every day, like we did. I'd like to be able to eat fish out of the lakes and rivers and the Gulf of Mexico.

All you conservatives are the same, really - anybody who criticizes anything, why they must just be jealous. It's as if you can't see any other motives for folks then greed or jealousy. I think it's rather revealing personally.

Cycloptichorn

Hey, don't piss up my back and tell me I'm sweating, you're the one that wants to learn everyone a lesson for doing something constructive.

I never said jealous either - to see something someone else has and want it - you're giving yourself too much credit. I said someone's having fun and you're missing out and don't like it. For instance, as I type, I'm drinking from a can with graphics made to look like the qualifications on a technical drawing. To the end user of that kindof thing, the supervisor/foreman/superintendent kindof guy it would be like, 'yeah, we want to make it easy for you to interpret what we're about, in terms of hops-per-barrel, sir'. I don't think you've got the capacity for abstract thought to want what any given foreman's got - like to be able to step into a pulpit and say 'ladies and gentlemen, welcome to prime-time' - just that for you to have any kindof dignity as a member of the support-staff you've got to pee-pee in their cheerios. Jealousey and greed I'm all about - as long as were about something to start with they drive us to excel, otherwise, what have we got to lose. It's more basal and less constructive than jealousy what you're feeling...

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.

Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

So you freely admit that the 4th amendment does NOT apply to those that are not American citizens.So, any spying on foreign nationals in the US and foreign nationals overseas is allowed.

Nice of you to admit that.

Justice Warren incorporated the FourteenthAmendment's Equal Protection Clause into the Fifth Amendment, which does apply to the federal government. Under the Fifth Amendment, no person "shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The phrase due process, Warren argued, must include "equal protection of the laws."

What you have written here only makes sense, in the loosest definition of the word 'sense.'

All you conservatives are the same, really ...

Give it up. Go hire all your lawyers to prosecute the thousands of Al Qaida in U.S. courts and clog them till the chickens come home to roost.

I think you guys have lost your marbles. You have lost all ability to reason by your hatred of any Republican.
...

I don't hate any Republican.

Our 'lawyers' will be rounding up various members of the Bush cabal for some time to come; there will be an accounting of responsibility for decisions in the next few years, once the DoJ is out of Bush's hands.

Cycloptichorn