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McCain's Electability

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 02:55 pm
okie wrote:
I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.


Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 02:58 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
the US has regularly criticized Russia and other countries for spying on their citizens without warrant or cause. But it's okay for us to do
Cycloptichorn

Now that is interesting what cyclops is claiming. If I had time, I would like to find alot more of your quotes, cyclops.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:00 pm
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
the US has regularly criticized Russia and other countries for spying on their citizens without warrant or cause. But it's okay for us to do
Cycloptichorn

Now that is interesting what cyclops is claiming. If I had time, I would like to find alot more of your quotes, cyclops.


Feel free.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:01 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.


Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Give it up. Go hire all your lawyers to prosecute the thousands of Al Qaida in U.S. courts and clog them till the chickens come home to roost.

I think you guys have lost your marbles. You have lost all ability to reason by your hatred of any Republican.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:03 pm
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.


Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Give it up. Go hire all your lawyers to prosecute the thousands of Al Qaida in U.S. courts and clog them till the chickens come home to roost.

I think you guys have lost your marbles. You have lost all ability to reason by your hatred of any Republican.


I don't hate any Republican.

Our 'lawyers' will be rounding up various members of the Bush cabal for some time to come; there will be an accounting of responsibility for decisions in the next few years, once the DoJ is out of Bush's hands.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:06 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Our 'lawyers' will be rounding up various members of the Bush cabal for some time to come; there will
be an accounting of responsibility for decisions in the next few years, once the DoJ is out of Bush's hands.



Not gonna happen.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:07 pm
Are you going to conduct a purge in the spirit of your dictator, cyclops?

This all points out how dangerous the left really is. I don't trust your side very far, cyclops, and have mercy on us all if too many of you get into power.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:08 pm
To a certain degree, it has already begun.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:30 pm
okie wrote:
Are you going to conduct a purge in the spirit of your dictator, cyclops?

This all points out how dangerous the left really is.
I don't trust your side very far, cyclops, and have mercy on us all if too many of you get into power.


If the Left takes the white house this will be their slogan:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/m0ondoggy/Fark/HateTML.jpg
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:34 pm
F*cking republicans. What AREN'T they afraid of? Pussies. Little chickenhawk bitches is what they are.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:42 pm
okie wrote:
Are you going to conduct a purge in the spirit of your dictator, cyclops?

This all points out how dangerous the left really is. I don't trust your side very far, cyclops, and have mercy on us all if too many of you get into power.


Justice is all that is sought.

Do you honestly think anyone takes your 'the leftists are EEEVVVUULLLLLL' crap seriously? I understand that it's good fodder for the interwebs, but c'mon...

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 03:58 pm
I'm sure most folks know the left is made up of evil, greedy people that never practice what they preach.

That's reality.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 04:16 pm
Gore energy consumption rises since going green.

"In 2007, to a sensational reception the TCPR noted that the Gore family burned through energy at an amazing rate saying, "Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh -- guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/06/17/gore-ging-energy-1-year-later-gores-home-energy-use-climbs-10

And these are the people we are supposed to believe?

Laughing Laughing
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hanno
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 04:32 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

What a bunch of crap. I grew up in Eastern Houston, around more 'industry' and chemical refineries then one can count. My family works in these places. I have worked in these places. And I'm well aware how much emphasis they put on cleanliness and the environment - not an ounce more then is required by law.

Therefore - as I care about having a clean and non-polluted environment - I support those laws, and there being the ability to enforce those laws. I don't want my kids to have to wonder what they are smelling in the air each and every day, like we did. I'd like to be able to eat fish out of the lakes and rivers and the Gulf of Mexico.

All you conservatives are the same, really - anybody who criticizes anything, why they must just be jealous. It's as if you can't see any other motives for folks then greed or jealousy. I think it's rather revealing personally.

Cycloptichorn


Hey, don't piss up my back and tell me I'm sweating, you're the one that wants to learn everyone a lesson for doing something constructive.

I never said jealous either - to see something someone else has and want it - you're giving yourself too much credit. I said someone's having fun and you're missing out and don't like it. For instance, as I type, I'm drinking from a can with graphics made to look like the qualifications on a technical drawing. To the end user of that kindof thing, the supervisor/foreman/superintendent kindof guy it would be like, 'yeah, we want to make it easy for you to interpret what we're about, in terms of hops-per-barrel, sir'. I don't think you've got the capacity for abstract thought to want what any given foreman's got - like to be able to step into a pulpit and say 'ladies and gentlemen, welcome to prime-time' - just that for you to have any kindof dignity as a member of the support-staff you've got to pee-pee in their cheerios. Jealousey and greed I'm all about - as long as were about something to start with they drive us to excel, otherwise, what have we got to lose. It's more basal and less constructive than jealousy what you're feeling...
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 06:34 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.


Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn


So you freely admit that the 4th amendment does NOT apply to those that are not American citizens.
So, any spying on foreign nationals in the US and foreign nationals overseas is allowed.

Nice of you to admit that.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 06:51 pm
hanno wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

What a bunch of crap. I grew up in Eastern Houston, around more 'industry' and chemical refineries then one can count. My family works in these places. I have worked in these places. And I'm well aware how much emphasis they put on cleanliness and the environment - not an ounce more then is required by law.

Therefore - as I care about having a clean and non-polluted environment - I support those laws, and there being the ability to enforce those laws. I don't want my kids to have to wonder what they are smelling in the air each and every day, like we did. I'd like to be able to eat fish out of the lakes and rivers and the Gulf of Mexico.

All you conservatives are the same, really - anybody who criticizes anything, why they must just be jealous. It's as if you can't see any other motives for folks then greed or jealousy. I think it's rather revealing personally.

Cycloptichorn


Hey, don't piss up my back and tell me I'm sweating, you're the one that wants to learn everyone a lesson for doing something constructive.

I never said jealous either - to see something someone else has and want it - you're giving yourself too much credit. I said someone's having fun and you're missing out and don't like it. For instance, as I type, I'm drinking from a can with graphics made to look like the qualifications on a technical drawing. To the end user of that kindof thing, the supervisor/foreman/superintendent kindof guy it would be like, 'yeah, we want to make it easy for you to interpret what we're about, in terms of hops-per-barrel, sir'. I don't think you've got the capacity for abstract thought to want what any given foreman's got - like to be able to step into a pulpit and say 'ladies and gentlemen, welcome to prime-time' - just that for you to have any kindof dignity as a member of the support-staff you've got to pee-pee in their cheerios. Jealousey and greed I'm all about - as long as were about something to start with they drive us to excel, otherwise, what have we got to lose. It's more basal and less constructive than jealousy what you're feeling...


What you have written here only makes sense, in the loosest definition of the word 'sense.'

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 07:40 pm
You either have an interpreter or you're a real patient man. I can't read that incoherent dribble.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 11:08 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I hope you are proud of yourself for taking my opinions out of context. Print this too. The constitution is a piece of paper, but I care what is written on it even if you don't. Write that one down, cyclops.


Well, no, you don't. Otherwise you would agree that the 4th amendment clearly requires the president to get a warrant in order to spy upon American citizens. You do not respect what the document says when it is inconvenient for you to do so.

Cycloptichorn


So you freely admit that the 4th amendment does NOT apply to those that are not American citizens.So, any spying on foreign nationals in the US and foreign nationals overseas is allowed.

Nice of you to admit that.


Forgive the intrusion, but it is possible that folks are arguing over the wrong amendment; because the roots of the discussion actually are derived from the Fourteenth Amendment, which includes the Due Process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

and the Equal Protection Clauses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

The Amendment requires the government to provide equal protection under the law to all persons within their jurisdictions.

Note that while the Amendment refers to the "states" the Amendment's equal protection clause allowed the Supreme Court to "incorporate" the entire Bill of Rights (including the contested Fourth Amendment here), saying it applied to states as well as the federal government.

The Court incorporated the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause (which applied only to the states) into the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause (which applied to the federal government) with Bolling v Sharp (1954).

http://law.jrank.org/pages/13354/Bolling-v-Sharpe.html

Quote:
Justice Warren incorporated the FourteenthAmendment's Equal Protection Clause into the Fifth Amendment, which does apply to the federal government. Under the Fifth Amendment, no person "shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The phrase due process, Warren argued, must include "equal protection of the laws."


If US citizens have the right to plea for habeas corpus, non-citizens have the same right.

Is it not essential for the common fairness Americans proclaim as an inherent trait that all persons, whether citizens or aliens within this land, shall have equal protection in this nation in the rights of life and liberty and property?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 08:28 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What you have written here only makes sense, in the loosest definition of the word 'sense.'


Of course you said this,

Cycloptichorn wrote:
All you conservatives are the same, really ...


... which makes nearly as much sense.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 08:38 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Give it up. Go hire all your lawyers to prosecute the thousands of Al Qaida in U.S. courts and clog them till the chickens come home to roost.

I think you guys have lost your marbles. You have lost all ability to reason by your hatred of any Republican.
...

I don't hate any Republican.

Our 'lawyers' will be rounding up various members of the Bush cabal for some time to come; there will be an accounting of responsibility for decisions in the next few years, once the DoJ is out of Bush's hands.

Cycloptichorn


Sometimes it is interesting to study Cyclo's posts carefully. The circular logic; the unbridled self-righteousness; the blind hypocrisy; and the delusions of grandeur & power so evident in them - all are truly remarkable. In person he is a pleasant and agreeable guy, but when confronted with opposition on these threads he becomes something very different - a vengeful and potentially dangerous hater.
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