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Objectivism 101

 
 
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 04:01 am
Ontolology (existence) and epistemology (knowledge) are inseparable. An extension of this non-dualist position is that all "things" imply a "thinger". Things and observers are mutually co-existent. There is no "reality" independent of this co-existence. In as much that we take "observers" to species or culture specific, each is involved in its own "reality". So "trees" may not "exist as such" for "birds"....perhaps "perchfulness" instead etc. Only by evoking an "ultimate observer" or "God" can "reality" be ontologically independent of other observers.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 08:04 am
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
Jewfromthezoo,

http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/jj003.gif

Another bullseye! You two dickheads just aren't presenting a challenge any more. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/rotf.gif
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 03:14 pm
fresco : Ontolology (existence) and epistemology (knowledge) are inseparable.

No, reality and perception are independent or mutually exclusive of each other. One's consciousness has no connection to another's existence. One's awareness is contingent on the ability of their five senses, the totality of the conscious state of that individual. Without one's five senses, they are in a world of their own consciousness, having no connection to reality.

fresco, As much as I want you to understand, I can not do your thinking for you. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/thumbsup.gif

That is why, a self-righteous sanctimonious bible-thumping sociopathic tyrant criminal, that claims "come follow me, I can save you from yourself", is nothing more than a head banging Jew. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/HBJ.gif
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 04:12 pm
I will sum up my perception of Jenifer's views up to this point.

This (according to your feedback) is the origin and implications of your theory.

REALITY > HUMAN NATURE > RIGHTS > MORALS

This, however, is what I see.

REALITY X HUMAN NATURE > RIGHTS > MORALS

Reality and human nature simply don't match up, due to several inconsistencies.

However, you exclude a great number of individuals (who are criminals and/or jews from your standpoint) to try to make this theory acceptable. Let me tell you something, not all humans fall under your concensus, and many times for good reasons. Yet you feel their exclusion makes your theory more plausible (this being the 'convenience' I spoke of in my first post).

You think that you have the rest of humanity on a leash from your enlightened views. Regardless of how secure you think our chain is, the stake holding it together (reality) is loose, and that is why people you thought you were above nip your heels at these forums.

In short, polish up on your understanding of reality before trolling in these forums.

P. S. I hope you get ran over by a jew!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 04:24 pm
DT, that was a terrible thing to say . . . why should you wish that an anonymous Jew suffer expensive damage to their automobile . . . for shame . . .
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 04:31 pm
Setanta wrote:
DT, that was a terrible thing to say . . . why should you wish that an anonymous Jew suffer expensive damage to their automobile . . . for shame . . .


lol. I don't know what came over me. That poor Jew. Crying or Very sad

Maybe he'll get awarded for public services. *shrugs*
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 05:13 pm
Setanta : why should you wish that an anonymous Jew suffer expensive damage

Because when a head banger realizes their life is built on a fraud, all they know how to do is attack the messenger because they can't refute the message. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/crucifed.gif
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 07:16 pm
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
Setanta : why should you wish that an anonymous Jew suffer expensive damage

Because when a head banger realizes their life is built on a fraud, all they know how to do is attack the messenger because they can't refute the message. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/crucifed.gif


Yep, looks like there's no need to educate demonicsquid, he's already outed himself as a Jew lover, criminal and general asshat.
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:59 pm
DavidIg wrote:
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
Setanta : why should you wish that an anonymous Jew suffer expensive damage

Because when a head banger realizes their life is built on a fraud, all they know how to do is attack the messenger because they can't refute the message. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/crucifed.gif


Yep, looks like there's no need to educate demonicsquid, he's already outed himself as a Jew lover, criminal and general asshat.


I'm sorry that you feel I'm a Jew-lover because I realize that they are not the only flawed race. I dare you, name any race that was not power-hungry at one time.

Educate me? You've already established yourself as my superior? Get the **** away from philosophy! You obviously won't learn anything from debate, since you already know it all and we have nothing to offer.

P. S. I realize society today lacks education, but you should be able to tell the difference between a squid and a turtle.

P. S. S. Sorry if you're butthurt for my educating your gf.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:39 pm
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
fresco, As much as I want you to understand, I can not do your thinking for you.

I'm sure fresco is relieved to hear that.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 12:16 am
demonicturtle wrote:

I'mEducate me? You've already established yourself as my superior? Get the **** away from philosophy! .


Yes Mr 14yr old Rolling Eyes
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 01:16 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
fresco, As much as I want you to understand, I can not do your thinking for you.

I'm sure fresco is relieved to hear that.


Too right ! as they say in Oz.

JJ is to "thinking" what Himmler was to "historical research".
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 02:22 am
fresco wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
fresco, As much as I want you to understand, I can not do your thinking for you.

I'm sure fresco is relieved to hear that.


Too right ! as they say in Oz.

JJ is to "thinking" what Himmler was to "historical research".


JJ actually knows something, and her knowledge is more valuable than anything we've heard from the likes of you Rolling Eyes
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 02:26 am
demonicturtle wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel I'm a Jew-lover because I realize that they are not the only flawed race. I dare you, name any race that was not power-hungry at one time.
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Their flaw is their ideology, and that's what we try and highlight and correct, however, it appears as though you're in the business of defending criminals, just as Joseph Sarandos was.
Regardless of your real age, neither JJ nor I will lose any sleep now that you've outed yourself as a Jew/Zionist apologist and defender of criminality.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 02:39 am
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JJ actually knows something, and her knowledge is more valuable than anything we've heard from the likes of you


Ah, but does she know the best way to the Pineapple Hotel from BSHS ? :wink:
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 02:59 am
fresco wrote:
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JJ actually knows something, and her knowledge is more valuable than anything we've heard from the likes of you


Ah, but does she know the best way to the Pineapple Hotel from BSHS ? :wink:


I don't drink, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't do so at the "Pineapple".

Don't tell me you're ex BSHS......I always thought it was over-rated, and you're proof, LOL.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 03:14 am
Naa...never been to Oz in my life.....just following up your internet trail you left for those Mossad boys. Smile
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 03:39 am
fresco wrote:
Naa...never been to Oz in my life.....just following up your internet trail you left for those Mossad boys. Smile


Oddly enough, I haven't felt the need to do searches on any fresco character.
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 05:38 am
DavidIg wrote:
demonicturtle wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel I'm a Jew-lover because I realize that they are not the only flawed race. I dare you, name any race that was not power-hungry at one time.
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Their flaw is their ideology, and that's what we try and highlight and correct, however, it appears as though you're in the business of defending criminals, just as Joseph Sarandos was.
Regardless of your real age, neither JJ nor I will lose any sleep now that you've outed yourself as a Jew/Zionist apologist and defender of criminality.


14 is my real age.

I wouldn't want either of you to lose sleep.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 05:57 am
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Oddly enough, I haven't felt the need to do searches on any fresco character


Quite right. Its only interesting researching lunatics and bigots.
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