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Objectivism 101

 
 
Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 01:04 pm
Setanta :Given that i've seen no coherent discussion of philosophy from either you or your girlfriend

The meaning of philosophy is to approach the world from the perspective of truth using logic, epistemology and metaphysics, to formulate ethics (right from wrong).

The one that can't have a coherent discussion of philosophy with, is you and your pack of Jewish hyenas, because you can't formulate a code of ethics (knowing the difference between right from wrong); beyond your Jewish criminal mentality, of "might makes right".

You claim to be atheistic only to try to divert any attention away from Judaism, but your collectivist mentality and devotion to Judaism gives you away. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/thumbsup.gif
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 01:13 pm
And your consistent use of childish emoticons gives you away . . . grow up, little girl, the world is not divided into "Jews" and "truthseekers" . . . you would't know the truth if it bit ya in the @ss . . .
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existential potential
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 01:24 pm
Does anyone approach the world from the perspective of truth, or is that the perspective they are all trying to find?

The very fact that you use metaphysics to generate an ethical system means it is bound to fail.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 02:50 pm
existential potential wrote:


The very fact that you use metaphysics to generate an ethical system means it is bound to fail.


How you view the world determines your ethics to a large degree, ie, if you think the supernatural is possible, then you're obviously open{duped} to religious thinking/ethics, however, if you're a bit smarter and realize it's reality all the way down, you'll need to form a more humanitarian style of ethics.
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 02:57 pm
existential potential : Does anyone approach the world from the perspective of truth,

Everyone that uses reality as the final arbiter using the scientific method to realize that bouncing off of walls, isn't going to open up a new reality just because they want to believe it is true. True is reality. The far fetched bible stories used to create a fiction in reality, to establish a political system used to have dominion over another, is a crock of dross. A reality built on myths, is susceptible to subversion by competing psychopathic tyrant criminals whoring for their own benefit, not for the pursuit of truth.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 02:58 pm
Setanta wrote:

Given that i've seen no coherent discussion of philosophy from either you or your girlfriend, i consider that a meaningless objection.


I've made numerous comments regarding Objectivist philosophy, but you and the genuine trolls "**** your pants" as soon as I mentioned Jews/Zionism.

For eg, I've mentioned that truth= any coherent aspect of reality.
That definition has all sorts of implications, all of which you seem oblivious to.
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 03:28 pm
David :you and the genuine trolls "**** your pants" as soon as I mentioned Jews/Zionism.


They are their own worst enemy by leaving a ****-stain behind them, exposing the Jewish criminal mentality, by rabidly defending Judaism.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 03:38 pm
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
They are their own worst enemy by leaving a ****-stain behind them, exposing the Jewish criminal mentality, by rabidly defending Judaism.


No one has "rabidly" defended Judaism. Judaism is not even relevant to this topic.
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fresco
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 03:55 pm
Quote:
Judaism is not even relevant to this topic


Correct, but David Irving would have no self identity without it.
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 04:41 pm
If it wasn't relevant, then why all the attacks for exposing the subjectivist "might makes right" collectivist criminal mentality originated by Judaism.

It is due to your rabidly defence that expose the self-righteous sanctimonious bible-thumping sociopathic tyrant criminal mentality, that engages in the attacks. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/crucifed.gif
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 04:58 pm
David,

Do you ever get the impression that we have a bunch of mad rabid dogs on a chain? By teasing them with the truth, all they are capable of doing is run the length of the chain, only to have their head jerked back due to their own denial of the truth.


It is fun to watch their self induced head banging. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/HBJ.gif Then they have the audacity to deny their Jewish criminal mentality. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/rotf.gif
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 05:13 pm
Jen.

They're either Jewish**, or they're just your everyday brainwashed suckers, either way, they don't know what truth is and must be, support the notion of subjective ethics aka might makes right{over a million people killed in Iraq and counting}, have little idea of the structure of knowledge, think most celebrity philosophers are topical despite them forming their philosophy under the stupid and restrictive influence of the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries.

Also, that the Jews own and control the US mass media is a fact that can be quickly established, however, even something as basic as that is denial worthy, and subsequently, we're written off as racist anti-semites simply for telling the truth about Jews and the media.


** remember Alias....he initially wrote that he was Jewish, but then quickly edited it to "he loves Jews".....but we caught his original comments via the quote function........so even if they are Jewish, they generally try and keep it a secret.
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 08:53 am
It seems to me, David, that you are basing your ethics on convenience (a huge fallacy I might add). The only reason individual rights should be acknowledged by the masses in your mind is because of the fact that you cannot think of another answer.

Also, if discrimination is the violation of another's rights, calling others Jews based on their actions would make you a criminal, in your own words.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:09 am
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
David....


DavidIg wrote:
Jen...



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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:18 am
DavidIg wrote:
joefromthezoo

You're an arrogant, argumentative pro-Jew dickhead....that's why I've chosen to avoid discussing philosophy with you, IOW, I don't think there's a hope in hell of any productive discourse between us.

No, you've chosen to avoid discussing philosophy with me because you don't know enough about philosophy to discuss that subject intelligently with anyone. Besides, you still can't figure out how to defend your previous assertion that all morality is inter-subjective with your current position that all morality is objective. You should just stick to subjects you know -- like ass-licking. You seem to be an expert on that one.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:53 am
demonicturtle wrote:
It seems to me, David, that you are basing your ethics on convenience (a huge fallacy I might add). The only reason individual rights should be acknowledged by the masses in your mind is because of the fact that you cannot think of another answer.
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Sounds like Lomax, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.... Cool
I'm basing my ethics on a combo of the basic moral axiom of "man's life and his well being", which can be extended to{but only once we accept the basic moral axiom} life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness aka individual rights.....the only real difference between me and Rand/individualism is that I take a scientific approach to the formation of our ethical codes, in that I would define and then prohibit the manufacture and sale of junk foods and products etc.

Coca-cola and pepsi wouldn't exist within my ethical framework.

As for IR's being acknowledged by the masses,....the truth is, they need to be understood and acknowledged by everyone{ideally}, but humans being what they are, people can reject people's basic rights whilst wanting them enacted on their behalf{how convenient}.

Remember, there's no Platonic realm, that's all bullshit made up by a religious dickhead and largely rejected by his intellectual superior{Aristotle}, so don't ass-ume that ethics are a reflection of anything but man, reality and logic.

I notice you're also concerned about Jews, so tell me, have you done some basic fact finding, ie, have you determined that Jews own and control the US mass media??
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:57 am
Joefromthezoo

In layman's terms, could you STFU....
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demonicturtle
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:16 am
DavidIg wrote:
demonicturtle wrote:
It seems to me, David, that you are basing your ethics on convenience (a huge fallacy I might add). The only reason individual rights should be acknowledged by the masses in your mind is because of the fact that you cannot think of another answer.
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Sounds like Lomax, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.... Cool
I'm basing my ethics on a combo of the basic moral axiom of "man's life and his well being", which can be extended to{but only once we accept the basic moral axiom} life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness aka individual rights.....the only real difference between me and Rand/individualism is that I take a scientific approach to the formation of our ethical codes, in that I would define and then prohibit the manufacture and sale of junk foods and products etc.

Coca-cola and pepsi wouldn't exist within my ethical framework.

As for IR's being acknowledged by the masses,....the truth is, they need to be understood and acknowledged by everyone{ideally}, but humans being what they are, people can reject people's basic rights whilst wanting them enacted on their behalf{how convenient}.

Remember, there's no Platonic realm, that's all bullshit made up by a religious dickhead and largely rejected by his intellectual superior{Aristotle}, so don't ass-ume that ethics are a reflection of anything but man, reality and logic.

I notice you're also concerned about Jews, so tell me, have you done some basic fact finding, ie, have you determined that Jews own and control the US mass media??


lol. I assure you that I am not Lomax, though I did see the fascinating discussion you two shared. I am actually Oreoracle from Philosophy Forums.

I too have concluded that the continuation of life should be deemed as good, but you and I have different derivations for this. I have realized that people in general are better off promoting their own life and respecting rights, but therein lies why morals are subjective. The reciprocation (that you speak of) of rights amongst individuals can only be considered if those rights are protected. I believe that rights possess availability, but not necessarily entitlement to us, for this reason: if one does not have the ability (or even the desire) to protect their own rights, then reciprocation can hardly occur, flawing your rule.

Also, I am not concerned of jews. I was only saying before that the presumption of another's race before being sure is an act of discrimination.

P. S. I have a problem with your definition of criminal. It seems to me that they could only commit ethical crimes by applying their distorted view of ethics, not just by having them.
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existential potential
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:56 am
David wrote:
"I've mentioned that truth= any coherent aspect of reality"

Just because an aspect of reality is coherent, it does not necessarily make it true.
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 12:06 pm
demonicturtle,

Welcome to a2k. Allow me to complment you on your erudition given that you are one of our youngest contributors.
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