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Objectivism 101

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 05:21 pm
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
"Setanta Said", Is projecting the same ****-stained subjective mentality as "god said". Just because you claim to be an atheist doesn't mean you don't project the same ****-stained subjective mentality.

As a truth seeker, I love the true. A bigot is one that is intolerant of the true, because they hate the true, that they are a criminal. (witless emoticon removed in the interest of adult conversation)


Actually, the definition of bigot is quite different than your self-serving version.

[url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot][b]Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary[/b][/url] wrote:
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


I won't even bother to canvas how badly you express yourself in English. You present the perfect example of this definition of a bigot. You believe that you are possessed of a special truth, to the point that you use puerile excretory epithets while attacking those who have the temerity to dissent from your poorly-articulated opinions. You especially exhibit this by your obsessional hatred of Jews and Judaism, which you carry to the ridiculous extreme of using those terms to brand those who don't agree with you as "criminals" because of one is a "Jew, spewing Jewish dogshit."

You remind me of one of Charlie Manson's girls--you suck up to David Henry, and parrot the dull-witted "philosophy" he has inculcated in you. You use stock phrases and childish scatological insults and epithets--but you don't produce a single original idea, or even any novel means of expression. You have used the same shop-worn and dull-witted stock phrases and vituperation throughout this pathetic exercise.

I don't and never have even remotely implied that what i consider to be ethical is based on "Setanta said." You two have come here to pick a fight, to take pot-shots at all of us, convinced in advanced that we will not agree, and therefore deserve to be labeled as Zionist Jewish criminals. You haven't come here seeking the truth, nor seeking reasoned debate. Everyone is invited to fawningly agree and praise the excellence of your "comprehension," or be damned, and subjected to your virtual shouting and your schoolgirl fecal and racist insults. You're a sad case.

You're also pretty damned stupid if you think i am going to provide you with the ammunition for the sniping you have been doing toward me and everyone else here. In a reasonable situation, i might well have explained in what i consider right and wrong to consist, and why. I'm not so foolish as to provide you a feeble lever for your rote bigotry.

However, as far as free entertainment goes, you're a pip.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 05:38 pm
Setanta wrote:
-but you don't produce a single original idea, or even any novel means of expression .


Where are your original thoughts chump?
Where's your definition of truth?
How do you determine right from wrong?
Explain what proper critcal thinking is?
Explain why you tolerate religion?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 06:18 pm
David Henry must think he is "god."

You can make all the demands you want, clown, as i've already pointed out, i'm not going to the play a game of providing you ammunition for your attacks. This isn't reasoned debate, and you don't converse in a reasonable manner.

But with your snappy patter routine, you and your pathetic girlfriend riffing off one another's stock phrases, your personal religious dogma, you two do remind me of a pair of vaudeville comedians, working the cheap burlesque circuit.

Yes, that's right, you two put me in mind of nothing so much as a couple of Jewish comedians from a century ago . . .


You clowns crack me up . . .
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 06:29 pm
David,

After 37 pages, one would think at least one of these mindless criminals would either answer the questions or conceded to their psychopathic tyrant criminal mentality. The evidence of their criminal mentality, is manifested by their relentless attack on us, without refuting the truth.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 06:36 pm
Jenifer Johnson wrote:
David,

After 37 pages, one would think at least one of these mindless criminals would either answer the questions or conceded to their psychopathic tyrant criminal mentality. The evidence of their criminal mentality, is manifested by their relentless attack on us, without refuting the truth.


That's the beauty of being persistent, no-one can say we didn't give them a chance to come clean.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 06:42 pm
Setanta wrote:

Yes, that's right, you two put me in mind of nothing so much as a couple of Jewish comedians from a century ago . . .


Seems like you view the world thru a Jewish filter Rolling Eyes
Btw champ, despite your wordy performances, people can smell **** if you unload it in such proportions, so either STFU, or answer and engage in this discussion.

Objectivist metaphysics and epistemology are not only the best, they're actually complete, ie, there's no need to further refine them as Rand and Peikoff have done it for us........that's not to say that Rand, Peikoff and especially Randites don't have some silly idea's on modern politics, but the fact is, reality is absolute, it is what it is, A=A.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 07:06 pm
Why don't you try to shut me the f*ck up, clown?

This is no discussion, it's an exercise in bully-ragging on your part, you and your parrot girlfriend. I never mentioned Rand, or anyone else, for that matter.

With your insults, foul language and reliance on "emoticons" that even teenyboppers don't use these days, you just make a fool of yourself with every post.

But as i said, it is entertaining, and it is free.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 07:13 pm
Setanta wrote:
Why don't you try to shut me the f*ck up, clown?

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You'd be surprised how easily I could do it, you're most likely a bookworm type of IT nerd......but once again you fail to discuss philosophy and stupidly lecture us for defending ourselves against ad hom and gross idiocy.

Still waiting on your version of truth, knowledge, ethics etc, .....I also wouldn't mind if you shared with us which epistemology you support, or who your 3 favourite philosophers/truthtellers are?
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 08:02 pm
Edit (Moderator): Link removed

I've collated a 5 part ytube video series of Ayn Rand being interviewed by Donahue in 1980.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 10:32 pm
David Henry wrote
Quote:
How do you go about ordering fish and chips with such an ostentatious vocab?


I pay a pleb taxi driver to deliver it !

All together now....

Hi hi hi hi hi,
Oompa oompa ya ya ya,
Rik rik rik-a-tik, hi hi hi,
Pilly willy wing, ping pong
Ti groo
High School, High school,
Blue Red Blue.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 07:38 am
Thalion wrote:
I think most people would recognize that a morality system must be constructed around some kind of contractual system.

I think that assumption is unwarranted.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 08:02 am
existential potential wrote:
So the bottom line for JJ and David is that if you do not agree with objectivism, you are a psychopathic tyrant, with a criminal Jew mentality.

I would agree with you two if only you would stop calling right from wrong objective.

One can only guess why JJ and DH (hereinafter collectively referred to as JenHen, for the two are as one) persist in asking "how do you determine right from wrong?" First of all, one's answer would depend on whether JenHen is asking the question with regard to morality or ethics. That's the difference between asking "how do you determine right from wrong in general?" and "how do you determine right from wrong in this situation?" The answer to the latter is rather easy: "by referring to a moral code."

The answer to the former is a bit more complicated. I suppose JenHen expects everyone to answer: "I decide for myself, based on my own preferences and desires -- and, moreover, I'm a Jew!" JenHen wants to be the only one who adheres to an "objective" moral code, and it can't accept that there might be some people out there who also adhere to objective moral codes, especially if those codes aren't the same as Rand's "system" of morality.

But, as I pointed out before, Rand's "system" isn't terribly objective. Indeed, it is based on a petitio principii, which doesn't make for a particularly good "system" of anything. Interestingly, JenHen hasn't responded to my posts regarding Rand. My guess is that it doesn't know enough about Rand's philosophy to offer a coherent rebuttal -- depite the fact that Rand's morality is pretty simple (one might say simplistic). It's much easier to repeat the same puerile attacks and slurs than to defend its position on its own merits -- be they ever so humble. In other words, JenHen hasn't offered much beyond "A = A" because, in the end, it doesn't know much beyond that.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 08:19 am
joefromthezoo

You're an arrogant, argumentative pro-Jew dickhead....that's why I've chosen to avoid discussing philosophy with you, IOW, I don't think there's a hope in hell of any productive discourse between us.

You're also another wordy wanker who takes his IR's for granted and seeks to dismiss them as subjective aka exposing your criminal mentality.

I've read quite a bit of philosophy and objectivism is the best, it's also reasonably complex, as such, making progress is difficult enough without also being a jerk, ie, you're not the least bit interested in short or long term discussions,.......... your goals are quite clear, and that's to attack and undermine genuine truthseekers such as JJ and I.

You and the other verbose poseur's can try and dispute our views all you like, but the truth of the matter is that IR's are objective and they require social agreement to be effective.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 08:33 am
DavidIg wrote:
joefromthezoo

You're an arrogant, argumentative pro-Jew dickhead....that's why I've chosen to avoid discussing philosophy with you, IOW, I don't think there's a hope in hell of any productive discourse between us.

You're also another wordy wanker who takes his IR's for granted and seeks to dismiss them as subjective aka exposing your criminal mentality.

I've read quite a bit of philosophy and objectivism is the best, it's also reasonably complex, as such, making progress is difficult enough without also being a jerk, ie, you're not the least bit interested in short or long term discussions,.......... your goals are quite clear, and that's to attack and undermine genuine truthseekers such as JJ and I.

You and the other verbose poseur's can try and dispute our views all you like, but the truth of the matter is that IR's are objective and they require social agreement to be effective.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 08:41 am
DavidIg wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Why don't you try to shut me the f*ck up, clown?


You'd be surprised how easily I could do it, you're most likely a bookworm type of IT nerd...


The only surprise for me is that you are stupid enough to believe that you could shut me up, by any means--i do like to read, and have never been employed in or interested in being employed in any information technology capacity.

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...but once again you fail to discuss philosophy and stupidly lecture us for defending ourselves against ad hom and gross idiocy.


Given that i've seen no coherent discussion of philosophy from either you or your girlfriend, i consider that a meaningless objection. As for defending yourselves, i made no argumentum ad hominem posts with regard to your silliness, nor did i make any disparaging remarks about your or your girlfriend before i was myself the object of your puerile, racist and presumptive invidious remarks. You and your girlfriend belong on an elementary school play ground, and you resemble the bullies of such play grounds--whining that someone has picked on you.

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Still waiting on your version of truth, knowledge, ethics etc, .....I also wouldn't mind if you shared with us which epistemology you support, or who your 3 favourite philosophers/truthtellers are?


Your likes, dislikes and desires are a matter of indifference to me. As i have pointed out repeatedly, i'm only here for the entertainment. Although, certainly, it is a bad habit of mind to feed the trolls.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 09:02 am
Setanta wrote:
Although, certainly, it is a bad habit of mind to feed the trolls.


Particularly the genuine truthseeking trolls.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 09:25 am
It's my criminal, baby-raping, Zionist Jew background . . . i just can't seem to hold onto a thought . . .
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 09:29 am
I wonder if they give out merit badges for achieving the various levels of truthseeker, perhaps beginning with lowly questioner and working their way up to seeker, truthseeker, genuine truthseeker and the penultimate achievement badge.... FINDER!!!!
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existential potential
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 09:52 am
David wrote:
"Objectivist metaphysics and epistemology are not only the best, they're actually complete, ie, there's no need to further refine them as Rand and Peikoff have done it for us."

David, leaching off other "philosophers", I thought you hated people who did that. But that's right, it only the "celebrity philosophers" that you hate, if there "underground philosophers" then that's cool.

Have you come up with some original ideas David,I would of thought you had not seeing as you idolise Rand so much, seeing as she has done all the work for you, and apparently everyone else?
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 12:33 pm
joefromthezoo : One can only guess why JJ and DH (hereinafter collectively referred to as JenHen,

More confirmation that Jeoooo is a head banging collectivist, that doesn't have the intelligence to distinguish between David and I. http://www.individual-sovereignty.com/pic/rotf.gif
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