DNC hits a new low in this campaign

The Republican whining about this ad is amusing on several levels.

First, by any measure this is a great ad. It points out the ridiculousness of McCain's position on the Iraq war. That it uses own McCain's words is brilliant.

Second, the image of shocked, shocked Republicans crying foul at hard-hitting ads (this one being quite fair by Republican standards) means that the Democrats are finally learning.

Since you all have decided to defend this costly, illogical and increasingly unpopular war, you are going to have to have the guts to take some pointed criticism about the cost.

Stop being such cry-babies.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Well if people are so concerned about it maybe we should bring them the f*ck home instead of bitching that someone has the audacity to put it in a commercial.

Jesus, that makes me mad. See, the Republicans don't give a damn if the people actually have to die. They don't care if the soldiers are actually getting blown up; you never hear a word of complaint about that whatsoever. But, put something suggestive in a commercial?

Sacrilege!

What a crock of ****

Cycloptichorn

I cant speak for republicans, but its nice to know that you are enough of a repub to speak for every single one of them in the US.

I only speak for myself.

So, can you link to your complaints, or those of any war supporter, about people actually being killed? Do you even understand how hollow your position is, that you care more about a commercial then the lives of people?

Cycloptichorn

I dont have the time, but I know for a fact that on here I have said I dont want to see people get killed, the difference is that those people serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are VOLUNTEERS.
That means they chose to be there.
If I had my way nobody on earth would ever die from violence, but that isnt possible.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that the military is an all volunteer organization, and everyone over in Iraq and Afghanistan VOLUNTEERED to be there.
They all knew the risks, but they went because they all thought it is the right thing to do.
To use their deaths or injuries to try and score political points is both wrong and should be illegal.

Would it be ok to show pictures of murder victims as they are being killed to score political points?

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That's a difficult argument to defend MM.

They chose to be in the military. This does not mean that our political leaders don't have a responsibility to value their lives and their welfare.

The idea that once someone volunteers for the military that it doesn't matter whether they are put in harms way or not seems ludicrous.

Our political leaders have a very serious responsibility to value the lives of the men and women in the armed forces. This means that these lives should only be sacrificed when the leaders and the country is sure that the sacrifice is worth the very high cost.

When our leaders are squandering American lives for an ill-advised war that is not good for the nation nor supported by the majority of Americans, whether or not the people being killed volunteered or not doesn't matter to me at all. These lives that are being lost represent an unnecessary tragedy.

It is the Republican position that is offensive.

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mysteryman wrote:

parados wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
parados wrote:
I am curious as to where the clip is that shows American's actually being blown up or killed as your link claims MM.

There is a brief clip of US soldiers and what may be an explosion as the clip ends. No video of anyone "blowing up" or "being killed."

We don't know from the clip if it is an IED or if anyone is even injured by it.

An explosion that close to unprotected ground troops, someone got severly hurt or killed.
If you had been around something like that you would know.

Really? and what exploded? And how do you know from the video what it was that exploded?

It could be dust from a shell hitting a wall falling down several feet away from all I can see on the video. There is no evidence anyone was injured let alone killed as claimed.

As for your claim these troops were "unprotected", are you saying this is a video of US troops that were sent in by Bush without the body armor they should have had?

No, and you are smart enough to know what I meant, so stop playing stupid.
Ground troops, outside of an armored vehicle, are easily hurt or killed by an explosion that close, no matter how much body armor they are wearing.
If you lok at the video, you can see they are wearing body armor, but body armor does not protect arms, legs, or the head.

Yes, and if you really looked at the video. You would see the camera is in front of them, the "explosion" is behind them and the sound reaches the camera and they duck before any dust or debri gets to them. I used my eyes and the video frame by frame. What did you use to make your determination?

There is no evidence to support the claim they were killed or even to support any claim they were injured. Any such claim is nothing but propaganda.

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mysteryman wrote:

Would it be ok to show pictures of murder victims as they are being killed to score political points?

That shows how stupid your argument is MM.

There is NO video of anyone being killed. There is no video of anyone being injured. There is video of a dust cloud and a loud noise with a couple of soldiers ducking before the dust cloud gets to them.

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MM's dangling participle in this hypothetical question is interesting.

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By the way, if you want to watch the 2 soldiers walk away from the explosion you can see it here and even buy the image to put in your own ad.

Getty images of soldiers

I will leave it to the RW wackos to wish those soldiers had died.

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The "volunteers" never volunteered for war but for job training and to better their lives not end their lives in a theft of another country's mineral wealth. The profits would have gone to GWB's cronies like Halliburton.

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talk72000 wrote:

The "volunteers" never volunteered for war but for job training and to better their lives not end their lives in a theft of another country's mineral wealth. The profits would have gone to GWB's cronies like Halliburton.

And its apparent that you have never served.
When you volunteer to join the military, you do so knowing that the possibility always exists that you can be sent into a dangerous area, where you may be injured or killed.
Nobody that volunteers does so without knowing that, so its not like they are being surprised by that.

If all they want is "job training", they can volunteer for job corps or a similiar type of civilian program.

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talk72000 wrote:

The "volunteers" never volunteered for war but for job training and to better their lives not end their lives in a theft of another country's mineral wealth. The profits would have gone to GWB's cronies like Halliburton.

Huh????? That just might be the dumbest thing ever said on A2K. Rolling Eyes

The ad is fair game MM. This is the position Bush left for McCain to deal with. McCain needs to stress that point and show that the oppositions "just get out" campaign will not be a good long term decision.

This will play out once the democrats decide who the nominee will be.

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Let the pathetic BUSHTARDS who had denigraded the image of the only
SUPER POWER clean the toilet of WHITE HOUSE:
Let the fighting cocks in the name of CHAnge SLOGAN KEEP aloof form this nonsense.

Make your vote invalid to tech the 2 party system which is rotten to the core.

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