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If this photo is real, what does that say about Media?

 
 
chaiyah
 
Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 05:54 am
http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/9091MtWilson526_0448.jpg

This is one of a series of fourteen cam-shots off Mt. Wilson Observatory.

I have another four of the same "thing" from August 25th.

No mention of it at all in the press, to date.

[shrug]
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 05:56 am
What am I looking at?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 06:21 am
There is a big light - I suppose it is a wee bit early for the sun?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 06:24 am
Have you asked the UCLA Dept. of Physics & Astronomy what they think it is?
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 06:32 am
Repeatedly. They're silent.

The sun came up about an hour later.

As you can see, this body is somewhat larger than the moon.

It reappeared on the same cam on 8/25/03.

Huge.

Nobody's talking about it, in the astronomy community. They're all wowwing Mars. [shrug]
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 06:35 am
...For the last three mornings between 3-5 am at Mt. Wilson, the upper lefthand corner of the screen shows a halo as if something is just beyond the reach of the camera.

...But turn the camera towards it so we can see it again?

...Not on your life, they won't.
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Monger
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 07:22 am
chaiyah wrote:
If this photo is real, what does that say about Media?


"If."

Let's settle that first.
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 07:52 am
Okay, the rest of them are at the following URL:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/9089052.htm

Untouched, hot off the press.

Then what?
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 08:03 am
chaiyah wrote:
Okay, the rest of them are at the following URL:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/9089052.htm

Untouched, hot off the press.

Then what?


Wasn't this ALREADY cleared up on another thread?

I seem to be having deja vu otherwise.
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Monger
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 08:23 am
Chaiyah wrote:
Untouched, hot off the press.

Chaiyah, while I understand this may be a difficult request to comply with given the media's close-minded refusal to report this, but still, do ya think maybe you could come up with any credible sources of information about this photograph? Not that I think it's completely impossible, it's just that well one of the things I do for a living is computer graphics and most of the photos on your site are VERY VISIBLY enhanced, doctored or otherwise fabricated digitally or using camera filters.

And some of them are completely normal photographs with normal lens flares along with your idiotic captions like "Is this what a sunset is supposed to look like???" or "When did the sun turn square???"

Please provide credible (not necessarily mainstream) sources.


Wenchilina wrote:
Wasn't this ALREADY cleared up on another thread?

I seem to be having deja vu otherwise.

Ise curious, can you point me to this other thread?
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husker
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 08:32 am
bookmarking to watch
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 08:43 am
Here:

In this thread, Bub has gone over every argument touching on the genuine-ness of the photos.

http://kbs.msshost.com/Forum3/viewtopic.php?p=13375#13375

They're real and true.

What concerns me is, such a deep and abiding cynicism that people don't believe ANYTHING they see any longer.

No one is ever satisfied with evidence. It's as if there is no longer a way to get to "the Truth," and all paths are blocked.

That's just what the Elitists, Fascists, Oligarchs and Bureaucrats want us to believe, that we can't really KNOW ANYTHING except what they TELL US.

The Bush Administration and its media lap-dog lackeys have become the priesthood that dispenses its truth, and its truth ONLY.

Bad, bad scene.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 09:32 am
Some day, take a look at the photo sections of www.snopes.com site or http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/.

After viewing all the fraud there, you'll get a better understanding of why people don't readily accept "evidence" on face value based on one person's insistence that there is truth to it.

It has nothing at all to do with the Bush Administration and media....this one falls right into the laps of you and me and the rest of us peons looking for our 15 seconds of fame.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 09:41 am
chaiyah,

It's against this site's rules to post links to sites with which you have an affiliation. I know you have an affiliation with some of those links because I've read you mock A2K members on them. Do not post them here.
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 09:57 am
Posting links instead of photos themselves
I would not post a link except that the IMG button has not been working for me until late last night.

I have to use the whole html code that I would use on my own site, in order to get a photo to appear here.

I prefer to copy in photos directly. My own site is just an info site anyway; but I will respect your guideline, not to post my own links here.

As far as photos go, HOW DO I REFERENCE a photo that is on the site, without citing the site? Duh.

: ) chai
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 10:04 am
...Mock?
...Who is mocking anyone?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 10:16 am
Thanks, if you need any help posting images let me know. As far as I know it works.

As to "mock" maybe that was too strong a word.

I refer to when you said: "The people who refuse to learn from history, who refuse to see cause-and-effect at work in corporate and individual decisions, are opting for ignorance and haphazard, slapdash decision-making. " and then linked to a discussion on A2K in which people disagreed with you as an example.
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 10:29 am
That doesn't look like mocking to me.

That's an opinion about contemporary media-politics.

I stand with that opinion. Is that a problem for you?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 10:30 am
Not a problem. I got a good laugh out of it when I first read it.

It's pretty much the standard diatribe when exotic theories are not immediately subscribed to when offered.
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Monger
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 10:31 am
Chaiyah, first a caveat: I'm no astronomer and and may not discuss the finer points of genuine weird observations because frankly it's out of my league, but I couldn't resist doing a little research on this one. This information is from the source (UCLA and such) so to be honest I'm not all that interested in claims you will undoubtedly bring that this evidence is somehow tainted by those who don't seek "The Truth".

OKherewego...

From UCLA's website:

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/no_planet_x.jpg

Quote:
Mount Wilson Solar Cam Operator Response to ZetaTalk's claim of PX

Quote:
I actually wrote to UCLA, and the following was their response:

"The pictures are indeed real, and used without permission,
but they are not of the purported claims that you are referring to (read
below for the proper explanation). The website you refer to is one of
the grossest abuses of science I have seen so far this year. Since this
generated a number of emails to our website, I´m sending you below the
email from the person directly responsible for operating the Mount
Wilson Solar Cam. If any one is to be an authoratative source on the
pictures, he´s the one.

Sincerely,
Peter Plavchan
2nd year graduate student
UCLA Department of Physics and Astronomy.

> Everyone,
>
> This saga began 2 days ago when I started to receive email at
> obs@astro asking me to explain "unusual" images from our UCLA
> Towercam, which I did. Nothing more than overexposed images of the
> moon and internal lens reflections I told them. (see
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/no_planet_x.jpg
> <http://www.astro.ucla.edu/%7Eobs/images/no_planet_x.jpg> for an
> example.) Unwittingly, I then moved the camera southward towards the
> city because I had received yet another email complaining that we
> don´t show the city views enough. (We receive email regarding the
> Towercam daily.) After I did that, we then started to receive email
> of the paranoia variety accusing us of turning the camera away from
> the ecliptic so as _not_ to show the dreaded "Planet-X" rising and
> setting on the horizon(!) I also started to received email of genuine
> concern about all of this nonsense, and through these, discovered this
> woman´s crackpot website and found that she was posting our towercam
> images to support her crazy theories---all without our permission.
>
> I felt that using Towercam images which clearly show the "UCLA Physics
> and Astronomy" header was tantamount to sanctioning their crazy
> cause, so I sent an email to help@astro asking if anything should be
> done about it. I received no reply from help@astro, and knowing
> full-well how futile it is to argue directly with these people, I
> decided to confront the issue with a little humor, so hung a
> basketball in the towercam frame marked "Planet-X." (I was careful to
> never mention, refute, or provide any link to the crackpot website for
> obvious reasons.) As soon as the basketball "Planet-X" went up on the
> internet, I started to receive supportive email like crazy thanking me
> for having such a great sense of humor. Several of them even
> mentioned that the use of humor has calmed "their kids" in classrooms
> who were worried about all of this Planet-X and "End of the World"
> talk. A few did say that such a prank was childish, but 98% of them
> thought that it was wonderful we would attack mass stupidity in such
> an manner. This was a typical response:
>
> /"I have just picked myself up from the floor from laughing at your
> photo/
> /of the dreaded Planet X. As the family amateur (very) astronomer, I/
> /can´t tell you how tired I am of answering questions about this or
> that/
> /photo on the woo-woo sites (I´m sure you´ve had to deal with much, much/
> /more). I now point the people in question towards your photo and
> voila!/
> / For most of them, anyway, instant enlightenment. Thanks folks!!! I/
> /think I´ll go look at it and giggle wildly again./
>
> /Bryn Kildow"/
>
>
> So now, should one respond to crackpot science claims or not?? Having
> personally known, admired, and been inspired, by the late George O.
> Abell, I tend to lean toward his own viewpoint on the subject: attack
> scientific stupidity square-on with truth (or humor) whenever possible!
>
> Larry Webster"


Courtesy of ZetaTalk:

http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy123.jpg

Mt. Wilson Explanation on June 3, 2003
Quote:
Jason: Can you tell me why you moved the camera direction?
Larry Webster: Yes, we get many requests to look at the city lights, so I thought I'd turn the camera toward Pasadena. No other reason.
Jason: Would you keep important information from the public if the government told you to?
Larry Webster: Depends. If it was truly in the public interest to do so, perhaps I would. Wouldn't anyone? In the case of the Towercam images, there is nothing to tell (or not tell!). The "strange object" that "Misty" seems so fascinated with is nothing more than the plain ol' Moon. An explanation is found here: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/no_planet_x.jpg
Jason: How can I buy that theory? How can such a small, dim cresent moon produce a bright, round image?
Larry Webster: Well, your going to have to because it's no theory, it's a fact! I don't have time for a discussion on image optics now, but rest assured, it's an image of the overexposed moon, nothing more. You might have a look in our Towercam gallery for other examples of the same thing: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/tcbest.html
Jason: The Moon is just now a cresent thumbnail.



Here's a very large animated GIF of those photos from UCLA:
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/mistism/Mount-Wilson-05262003-SHORT.gif

If you look carefully, from the first few frames of that gif it appears the object UCLA calls an internal lens reflection of the moon is rising from in front of the mountain range, which doesn't support the theory that it's the real moon very well at all. The sunrise that comes later in the gif shows quite clearly that the images are WAAAY overexposed.


More examples of moon overexposure:

http://patearl.net/static/pictures/old/pictures/tinymoon.jpg

Another (large) image of moon overexposure: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~giacalon/aurora.jpg
Quote:
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~giacalon/pictures.html

Aurora in Tucson! The bright sun-like-object is actually a very overexposed crescent moon. The constellation in this picture is Auriga. The center of the picture is directed to the Northwest, right is north and left is looking more west. This picture was taken with a 50mm lens at f/2.8 with an exposure time of 45 seconds on Mitsubishi ISO 100 film. If more Aurora occured in Tucson I would reduce the exposure time on subsequent pictures!



Ignorance is bliss.

Whatever fuels your fire.
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