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Rev Wright Kicking Ass Again

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:01 pm
candidone1
No you missed the point. Since his record is to say the least very thin to non-existent. His associations are critical in making a judgement.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:03 pm
au1929 wrote:
candidone1
No you missed the point. Since his record is to say the least very thin to non-existent. His associations are critical in making a judgement.


You obviously have swallowed the "inexperience" line whole.
Read up on him. He's done quite a bit with his life.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:06 pm
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn

Talk is cheap!!


So is guilt by association.

In fact, you are talking about Obama's associates b/c ya have nothing to smear him personally with, and are casting about for whatever **** you can throw up against the wall. It's a little pathetic.

Cycloptichorn
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:12 pm
Seriously....at 47 years old, and as accomplished as he is, it's a bit ignorant to say that he has a thin resume.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn

Talk is cheap!!


So is guilt by association.

In fact, you are talking about Obama's associates b/c ya have nothing to smear him personally with, and are casting about for whatever **** you can throw up against the wall. It's a little pathetic.

Cycloptichorn

Nor has he done a damn thing to recommend him for the highest office of the land. He could just be a left wing G Bush for all I know.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:19 pm
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn

Talk is cheap!!


So is guilt by association.

In fact, you are talking about Obama's associates b/c ya have nothing to smear him personally with, and are casting about for whatever **** you can throw up against the wall. It's a little pathetic.

Cycloptichorn

Nor has he done a damn thing to recommend him for the highest office of the land. He could just be a left wing G Bush for all I know.


Law professor, 10 years in the state senate, senator, intelligent and capable man, has marshalled a gigantic army of supporters, ran a great campaign, raised unprecedented amounts of capital, and over-come the triple threat of Bill, Hillary, and McCain. He's got a ton of things to recommend him. As much as his two opponents, for sure.

Cycloptichorn
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:21 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Seriously....at 47 years old, and as accomplished as he is, it's a bit ignorant to say that he has a thin resume.


Wake up and smell the coffee. What are his grand accoplishments to this point. He has a silvery tongue and can deliver a speech?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:22 pm
au1929 wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
Seriously....at 47 years old, and as accomplished as he is, it's a bit ignorant to say that he has a thin resume.


Wake up and smell the coffee. What are his grand accoplishments to this point. He has a silvery tongue and can deliver a speech?


What are Hillary's grand accomplishments? McCain's?

Cycloptichorn
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 12:58 pm
Define "Grand Accomplishments".

A bachelor degree, Harvard Law, 3 term State Senator, US Senate, author and co-sponsor on hundreds of pieces of legislation, Presidential Nominee, authored 2 books....I don't know what "grand" means if this isn't.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 02:37 pm
Obama 'outraged' by ex-pastor
By S.A. Miller

Sen. Barack Obama today broke with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., saying his former pastor's racial and anti-government remarks were "a show of disrespect to me [and] an insult to what we have tried to do in this campaign." Updated 3:15 p.m.


Transcript of Barack Obama press conference
Winston-Salem, NC



4.29.08



OPENING REMARKS:



Before I start taking questions I want to open it up with a couple of comments about what we saw and heard yesterday. I have spent my entire adult life trying to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. That's in my DNA, trying to promote mutual understanding to insist that we all share common hopes and common dreams as Americans and as human beings. That's who I am. That's what I believe. That's what this campaign has been about.



Yesterday we saw a very different vision of America. I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday. You know, I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992. I have known Reverend Wright for almost 20 years. The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.



Now, I've already denounced the comments that had appeared in these previous sermons. As I said I had not heard them before. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church, he's built a wonderful congregation, the people of Trinity are wonderful people, and what attracted me has always been their ministry's reach beyond the church walls. But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century; when he equates the United States' wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans, and they should be denounced. And that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.



Let me just close by saying this, I ?- we started this campaign with the idea that the problems that we face as a country are too great to continue to be divided; that, in fact, all across America people are hungry to get out of the old, divisive politics of the past. I have spoken and written about the need for us to all recognize each other as Americans, regardless of race or religion or region of the country; that the only way we can deal with critical issues like energy and health care and education and the war on terrorism is if we are joined together. And the reason our campaign has been so successful is because we had moved beyond these old arguments. What we saw yesterday out of Reverend Wright was a resurfacing and, I believe, an exploitation of those old divisions. Whatever his intentions, that was the result. It is antithetical to our campaign, it is antithetical to what I am about, it is not what I think America stands for, and I want to be very clear that moving forward Reverend Wright does not speak for me, he does not speak for our campaign. I cannot prevent him from continuing to make these outrageous remarks, but what I do want him to be very clear about, as well as all of you and the American people, is that when I say I find these comments appalling, I mean it. It contradicts everything that I'm about and who I am. And anybody who has worked with me, who knows my life, who has read my books, who has seen what this campaign's about, I think will understand that it is completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country.



Last point, I'm particularly distressed that this has caused such a distraction from what this campaign should be about, which is the American people. Their situation is getting worse. And this campaign has never been about me. It's never been about Senator Clinton or John McCain. It's not about Reverend Wright. People want some help in stabilizing their lives and securing a better future for themselves and their children, and that's what we should be talking about. And the fact that Reverend Wright would think that somehow it was appropriate to command the stage for three or four consecutive days in the midst of this major debate is something that not only makes me angry, but also saddens me. So with that, let me take some questions
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 02:54 pm
So, earlier you say Wright = Obama.

Here is one more bit of evidence that Obama does not equal Wright, that Wright's political philosophy does not equal that of Obama's.
What we have here is a mere association between 2 people but an equivalence is drawn between them as though their thoughts and beliefs are identical, as though one can infer from Wright's ramblings, that Obama too, by viture of his association with Wright, echos precisely the same sentiments....even though there has not been one fragment of evidence affirming this proposition.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 03:06 pm
candidone1
Obama did the right thing. IMO he should have done it sooner. Just how much damage Wright did to Obama's candidacy is yet to be seen. It will not of course have any effect on the die hard Obamanics it may however have an impact upon the vote of those who are undecided.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 03:11 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Define "Grand Accomplishments".

A bachelor degree, Harvard Law, 3 term State Senator, US Senate, author and co-sponsor on hundreds of pieces of legislation, Presidential Nominee, authored 2 books....I don't know what "grand" means if this isn't.


He could be a damn good used car salesman or even a member of the Bush family the way he was lying today. Too bad he missed those callings. Laughing
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 04:08 pm
Morning Joe sez:

This (Obama finally throwing Wright under the bus) is "a great thing for the Democratic Party."

Of course, this was all carefully calculated with Wright playing the fall guy. It was all just an act. Smile Oops wait, that would be something the Clintons would have cooked up!
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 05:26 pm
[QUOTE"Brand X"]He could be a damn good used car salesman or even a member of the Bush family the way he was lying today. Too bad he missed those callings[/quote]

For someone who has long defended Bush and essentially, judging by your posting history, toed the republican party line, I find something pretty disingenuous about this response (italics added).

Obama is a far superior candidate than Bush ever was as a President.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 06:11 pm
candidone1 wrote:
[QUOTE"Brand X"]He could be a damn good used car salesman or even a member of the Bush family the way he was lying today. Too bad he missed those callings


For someone who has long defended Bush and essentially, judging by your posting history, toed the republican party line, I find something pretty disingenuous about this response (italics added).

Obama is a far superior candidate than Bush ever was as a President.[/quote]

You gotta go back along way to find where I defended Bush there, Magnum PI.

So, all the left leaning people who have criticized Bush for 8 years are also 'disingenuous?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 10:37 pm
I must say...Obama has done a very good thing denouncing Wright the way he did today.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 11:14 pm
And Obama is STILL a member of Wright's church.

Nothing has changed.

Wright is still Senior Pastor, despite the 'retirement' announcement.

Wright still has not 'acknowledged' that his racist sermons are 'inappropriate' or 'offensive' , despite Obama's earlier claim that this was so.

It's just a PR game.

It gives Obama a chance for a 'Sister Souljah moment'. He can appear moderate by denouncing Wright.

It's time to leave TUCC, and Barry votes 'Present'.
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Mexica
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 12:38 am
Talk about flipping the script...
It used to be that only blacks got in a tiff and called people racists for being critical of blacks.
Now we have whites whining about racism when someone is critical of whites.
Ain't that 'bout a bitch. Laughing
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 11:31 am
"At the NAACP meeting, Mr. Wright proudly propounded the racist contention that blacks have inherently different "learning styles," correctly citing as authority for this view Janice Hale of Wayne State University. Pursuing a Ph.D. by logging long hours in the dusty stacks of a library, Mr. Wright announced, is "white." Blacks, by contrast, cannot sit still in class or learn from quiet study, and they have difficulty learning from "objects" ?- books, for example ?- but instead learn from "subjects," such as rap lyrics on the radio. These differences are neurological, according to Ms. Hale and Mr. Wright: Whites use what Mr. Wright referred to as the "left-wing, logical and analytical" side of their brains, whereas blacks use their "right brain," which is "creative and intuitive." When he was of school age in Philadelphia following the Supreme Court's 1954 desegregation decision, Mr. Wright said, his white teachers "freaked out because the black children did not stay in their place, over there, behind the desk." Instead, the students "climbed up all over [the teachers], because they learned from a 'subject,' not an 'object.' " How one learns from a teacher as "subject" by climbing on her, as opposed to learning from her as "object" ?- by listening to her words ?- is a mystery."

Wright by definition and supported by his statements is a class 1, certifiable racist.

His 15 minutes are up. Time for him to go away.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120952079425155103.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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