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I doubt WV has a monopoly on people that think Obama is a "half-breed Muslim". Yet you have called out the people of WV as ignorant for no reason other then the fact Obama did not win the primary.

Now, owing to the fact that my family is from WV and I have relatives living there, I would be doing them an injustice were I not to take offense at your comments. Believe it or not, WV is not that much different from any of the other states in the union.

You say that WV "has more than its fair share of" bigotry. I trust you have something beyond your uninformed opinion to back that up?

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McGentrix wrote:

You say that WV "has more than its fair share of" bigotry. I trust you have something beyond your uninformed opinion to back that up?

Exit polls Democratic primary West Virginia

"In deciding your vote for president today, was the race of the candidate:

8% The single most important factor -- of these, 85% voted for Clinton, 10% for Obama

14% One of several important factors -- of these, 79% voted for Clinton, 14% for Obama

Shares of the electorate:

20% -- Whites who say race was a factor -- of these, 84% voted for Clinton, 10% for Obama
72% -- Whites who say race was not a factor -- of these, 62% voted for Clinton, 31% for Obama

1% -- Blacks who say race was a factor
3% -- Blacks who say race was not a factor

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McGentrix wrote:

I doubt WV has a monopoly on people that think Obama is a "half-breed Muslim". Yet you have called out the people of WV as ignorant for no reason other then the fact Obama did not win the primary.

This is false on two counts. One, I haven't called out the people of WV as ignorant -- I've said they have more than their fair share of ignorants (which of course suggests that they do not have a monopoly on it because other states also have ignorant people, which I also said). Second, it's not "for no other reason than the fact that Obama did not win the primary". It's based on exit polls and interviews with voters.

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Now, owing to the fact that my family is from WV and I have relatives living there, I would be doing them an injustice were I not to take offense at your comments. Believe it or not, WV is not that much different from any of the other states in the union.

Yes, you must take offense whether there is any offense to take or not.

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You say that WV "has more than its fair share of" bigotry. I trust you have something beyond your uninformed opinion to back that up?

I have exit polls.

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FreeDuck wrote:

I have exit polls.

Link?

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4844868&page=1

Not sure which exact polls are referenced in the article, but here's CNN's.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WVDEM

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Comparisons with other states:

$http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6903/roleofraceinlateprimarvj2.png$

Looks like West-Virginia had a relatively high share of whites for whom race was a factor in their choice, and those for whom it was went for Hillary even more massively than usual.

So based on just this one piece of evidence, yes, racial prejudice played a stronger role in WV than in other states. Judging purely from voting patterns and exit polls so far, I would hazard a guess that this would hold true through the whole Appalachian region.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Not sure which exact polls are referenced in the article, but here's CNN's.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WVDEM

There's only one exit poll. The media and researchers pool their resources when it comes to exit polls.

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Well, the CNN poll doesn't introduce raqce at all and in scanning Google, I saw evidence of one, just one old woman wearing a t-shirt that read "He's a half breed and a Muslim. How can you trust that?".

So, where exactly is the poll that shows there are "plenty of ignorant people in W. VA based on how many still believe that Obama is a muslim and think that being a 'half-breed' is a disqualifier for the presidency."

If you ask me, it seems you may be drinking a bit too much from the extreme left's fountain. Please stop.

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McGentrix wrote:

Well, the CNN poll doesn't introduce raqce at all

You have to page.

McGentrix wrote:

So, where exactly is the poll that shows there are "plenty of ignorant people in W. VA based on how many still believe that Obama is a muslim and think that being a 'half-breed' is a disqualifier for the presidency."

That's not what you asked me for, though. You asked me on what I based my opinion that WV has more than its fair share of bigotry. And I said exit polls. Look up.

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FreeDuck wrote:

You have to page.

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No worries, I didn't see it at first either.

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FreeDuck wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

So, where exactly is the poll that shows there are "plenty of ignorant people in W. VA based on how many still believe that Obama is a muslim and think that being a 'half-breed' is a disqualifier for the presidency."

That's not what you asked me for, though. You asked me on what I based my opinion that WV has more than its fair share of bigotry. And I said exit polls. Look up.

Um, I dont mean to disturb, but have either of you seen my posts? I just posted this data here...

I included some extra calculation too, so you can see how large the group of those who voted (partly) based on race is as percentage of all white voters.

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We are arguing amongst ourselves thank you very much Mr. Buttinski. Razz

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OK then

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nimh wrote:

Um, I dont mean to disturb, but have either of you seen my posts? I just posted this data here...

Yes, that's why I asked McG to look up. Thanks for posting that, btw.

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nimh wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
Not sure which exact polls are referenced in the article, but here's CNN's.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WVDEM

There's only one exit poll. The media and researchers pool their resources when it comes to exit polls.

Forgot to thank you for this bit, too. I didn't know that.

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't voting for a man because he is black just as racist as voting against him because he is black. And would black voters knowing it would be viewed as racist not admit voting for a black man because he is black. And as far as Obamiates thinking that people who don't think Obama is the future of this country as ignorant just check back on some of the posts that have been aimed at people who disagree with them and I think you will find that many of them have more than once used the ignorance argument. Which is why I for one have quit posting to closed minds. I have to admire B.P.B. for his persistence. But I think its a lost cause. I guess just as with Bush we will have to wait and see if the Bal-less democrats can do what they claim. Bush did the opposite of what he said and with the big money people running the government anyone who thinks the politicians will set things right will just have to be disappointed in government just as I have been for the last 70 years. And yes Cyclo I am an angry old man!

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rabel22 wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't voting for a man because he is black just as racist as voting against him because he is black. And would black voters knowing it would be viewed as racist not admit voting for a black man because he is black. And as far as Obamiates thinking that people who don't think Obama is the future of this country as ignorant just check back on some of the posts that have been aimed at people who disagree with them and I think you will find that many of them have more than once used the ignorance argument. Which is why I for one have quit posting to closed minds. I have to admire B.P.B. for his persistence. But I think its a lost cause. I guess just as with Bush we will have to wait and see if the Bal-less democrats can do what they claim. Bush did the opposite of what he said and with the big money people running the government anyone who thinks the politicians will set things right will just have to be disappointed in government just as I have been for the last 70 years. And yes Cyclo I am an angry old man!

Are you happy about being an angry old man?

You don't have to be angry, yaknow.

Cycloptichorn

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FreeDuck wrote:

Yes, that's why I asked McG to look up.

Aaahh... that kind of looking up. I thought you were telling him to look it up (on the links you gave). My bad.

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