Would you vote for Jesus?

That was meant for a different thread . . .

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Re: Would you vote for Jesus?


Again, you attempt to strip that very exchange of its context.

Kicky's full OP was :



The title he gave the thread was : Would you vote for Jesus?

I did not need to 'introduce' ANY concept because I asked him about his post, which was clearly political in nature.

Then you want to go off on a rabbit trail about Germany and Canada.

I wasn't referring to either one and I'm reasonably sure that kicky's frame of reference was American politics as well since he asks about voting for Jesus 'running against McCain'.

But I do agree with this:

I pointed out the specific context of my citation of scripture. You were the one who stripped the exchange of any context of practical politics when you wrote: "Perhaps it would help if you specify why you think 'Jesus was a liberal'." No reference to politics, to elections--you just asked Kicky to specify why he thought that Jeebus was a librul.

Now you've caught your dick in your zipper and you've started to dance.

It ain't a pretty sight.

I quoted his entire post, and answered it.

I suppose I should have written:



so that you knew I was referring to his whole post. Even though I quoted it all.

The fact that you quoted his entire post means nothing. You cherry-picked the remark about Jeebus
being a librul. That's typical of you, too--cherry-picking and then attempting to widen your
argument after the fact. What a twit.

Next time, have the decency not to stretch the screen. There's little enough reason to read your posts
as it is.

i would consider jesus to be a socialist

'Cherry pick' is what YOU do when you ignore the context of kicky's post and pretend like it had nothing to do with politics.

My remarks dealt with the context.

Nice try. Not.

Based on what?

I didn't pretend it has nothing to do with politics. I have pointed out that your question about Jeebus was not in terms of government policies, which is what you attempted to introduce after you were given scriptural evidence which blows away your bullshit.

You can dance all you want--you asked why anyone would say your boy Hey-Zeus is liberal. I provided you ample reason for such a point of view. But you can't deal with it.

Let's just say I know a Jesus different than the one you seem to know Chai- what a surprise, huh?!

I think the personage/character/whatever you want to call Jesus was the epitome of an effective leader. Someone like him would inspire me to follow - and that's what I'd call a leader- someone who inspires others to want to follow.
And talk about personal integrity...

I'd not only vote for someone like him - I'd be his campaign manager AND probably become a lifetime devotee (in other words disciple)- that's how much I think he had on the ball.
I like him even better than Carter or Clinton (the two presidents I've admired in my lifetime).

I agree with dddj (sorry if I 'spelled' that wrong) that if he had a system of government he'd endorse - it'd be socialist- and that wouldn't swing here in the US. But maybe in Canada...who knows.

And I don't think it's too far off the mark to picture him governing - wasn't he called the Prince of Peace? Didn't he allude to the "Kingdom of Heaven"?'

As I understand it, there are three personas of Jesus. There's the all-loving, turn the other cheek, Catholic Jesus. There's the Evangelical Jesus that will be mad as heck when he returns. There's also the biblical scholar's Jesus that was an anti-Roman zealot, and was liberal to all the downtrodden Jews in Jerusalem, but had no affection for Romans.

By the way, Jesus was born a Jew, and died a Jew. Only his followers developed a religion around his life, and separated that religion from Judaism. So, is the United States ready for a Jewish President, regardless if it is Jesus.

Now, which Jesus am I voting for?

I wouldn't say that. I don't think you can fit Jesus into these neat little categories of "liberal" or "conservative" -- which is why He wasn't about politics back in the day, and I don't think He would be if He came back now.

Hitler, however, was a socialist. (Nazi = National Socialist Party).

So if Hitler came back today and ran against McCain, would you vote for him? If not, how do you reconcile that with your liberal political ideas?

But he didn't inspire more than a handful of people to follow him until years after he was gone.

How can you know if he would inspire you, if you only had the words of those who knew of him 3rd or 4th hand?

BTW, what is your opinion on the abortion issue I brought up?

Jesus was Jewish. Jesus never spoke of when the fetus was something that, if aborted, would be the object of murder.

For all anyone knows, Jesus didn't think a fetus was a human until it was out of his mother.

He would have respected the fact that the fetus was the potential for life, as others in his day did, but, no one can know what his opinion would have been if a womans life was in danger. Would he have said let a life in the here and now, that was responsible for a number of other lifes, be snuffed out? Or would be say forfit the potential of one life, for that others with the certainly of present life may live?

l'chiam.

My beliefs are personal and precious to me- and I know how you all hate to be preached at so I'll just keep him to myself.

l'chaim to you too - in all sincerity- honestly...I mean that...I wish you nothing but peace...as God (and Jesus) are my witnesses.

Christianity is born out of one fact.
By crucifying an innoce sone of a jew by the name Jesus.
Criminal Act

aidan, I'm not talking about your personal beliefs. I'm talking about whether or not Jesus would be pro-life or pro-choice. In addition, I wasn't directing this solely to you, but to anyone who wished to discuss.

Nowhere in the old or new testament is abortion forbidded, or called murder.

In both the OT & NT, lots of specific instructions were given as far as what was considered a sin. Why wasn't abortion included?

The idea that abortion would be taking an actual life is not discussed by Jesus. Considering the day he lived in, would it not be feasible to think that he believed as other devout Jews did, that a fetus is a potential life, not an actual one?

Nowhere in the bible does it state, Thou shalt not kill a potential life.

I'm not saying what my personal beliefs on abortion are, as either a personal or political issue.

Can we be so sure though that Jesus platform might be significantly different from what we have been raised to expect.

What about Jesus immigration policy? From what I remember, Jesus did say we have to take in travelers and feed them.....not lock them out.

How do we even know Jesus had a charismatic personality?

I'd have to look it up, but the population of that area of the world 2000 years ago wasn't that large, I'm sure. People living in such a rural area would jump at the chance for any type of entertainment, and a man willing to tell stories, even if he wasn't that good at it, would have been a welcome diversion.

Again, none of what Jesus said was written down for scores of years. Could it be the words, when dredged up from old peoples memories, and written down by someone with perhaps a flair for writing, was better than the original.

Christianity if very much a pick and choose faith. People over the centuries have embellished, translated and retranslated. interpreted and reinterpreted so much, the original is lost.

So, when asking if Jesus would be a good President, the answer would be ....Who knows?

If George Washington came back from the dead, would be be a good president today? Would he be able to deal the the entirely different set of circumstances in todays world? Would he be considered a good leader?

I don't know. No more than if I know what Jesus political platform would be.

If I'm to follow what the bible says though, I may very well say he would be Pro-choice, have lenient immigration laws, favor a flat tax...or maybe not (perhaps hoping to get the fat man through the eye of the needle, he would heavily tax them). He might take away all the advantages of home ownership, and dismantle the stock market. After all, the love of money is the root of all evil.

What would be his environmental stance? Would he let the lilies of the field make their own way as best they can? Would he favor higher eduation, or encourage people to enter the workforce as tradesmen? Would he be in favor of equal pay for equal work? What would be his stance on feminism?

and on...

So you want to know- "What would Jesus do"?

I don't know and as I have to do laundry and clean my house and get ready for work tomorrow - I can't play that game right now.

But you know - one of the good parts about getting to use Jesus as an example for your life is the admonishment he gave people who would follow his example not to judge others. So I don't feel bound to worry about what others do so much as I feel bound to take care of my own behavior.
If a woman has an abortion - that's her issue- not mine. In my world other adults have to be answerable and responsible for their own behavior. I am responsible for my own - as well as trying to set a good example for my own children and the others I have chosen to spend my time trying to influence in a positive way. Other than that - it's not my business to judge or infringe on anyone else's freedom or beliefs with my own.
That's how I interpret the teachings of Christ- as well as to approach people with an attitude of forgiveness. Those are the two big lessons I brought home from my Sunday school days.

My favorite Bible verse is from the old Testament by the way- Micah 6:8. And it says, "And what would the Lord ask of you but that you be just, love mercy and walk humbly with your God." I think that's what Jesus would do.

No.

If some looney told me he was the son of God, would you vote for him, even if he was a political genius, excellent speaker and highly persuasive?

Alas, highly persuasive political geniuses with excellent speaking skills have regularly become major influences throughout history, regardless of how rational / irrational their claims might have been.

People en mass, are suckers for a "good sell".