Would you vote for Jesus?

real life wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
real life wrote:
How many liberals here on A2K would vote for Jesus?

C'mon, speak up, liberals.
Not I for sure.

If He is as liberal as you imply , then why not?

because i am not a wingnut who votes because a candidate is one thing or another, your friend jesus may have been a liberal but he also is said to have "talked with god" he thus becomes a lunatic as well as a liberal which disqualifies him in my voting preferences. perhaps people of menial intellect might vote for someone because they are both left handed or like the same color on their bedroom walls; that doesn't make them electable to liberal extremists like myself. You, on the other hand.......

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dyslexia wrote:

real life wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
real life wrote:
How many liberals here on A2K would vote for Jesus?

C'mon, speak up, liberals.
Not I for sure.

If He is as liberal as you imply , then why not?
because i am not a wingnut who votes because a candidate is one thing or another, your friend jesus may have been a liberal but he also is said to have "talked with god" he thus becomes a lunatic as well as a liberal which disqualifies him in my voting preferences. perhaps people of menial intellect might vote for someone because they are both left handed or like the same color on their bedroom walls; that doesn't make them electable to liberal extremists like myself. You, on the other hand.......

Both Obama and Hilly claim to talk with God.

So, which one are you supporting (since your man Dennis "I am switching to Pro-Abortion because I want the Democratic nomination" Kucinich is out) ?

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How would US president Jesus Christ deal with Canadians?

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Well, He'd have more patience with them than I do. Laughing

Would you vote for Jesus as PM of Canada?

Do you consider yourself a liberal?

Do you think that Jesus was a liberal?

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aidan wrote:

Although I don't think his leadership style would work well in a democracy...he'd be overrun by the power-hungry elite- you know turning the other cheek and all that.

Actually, I don't even think Jesus had a leadership style, or leadership abilities for that matter.

This christian following thing didn't occur until long after his death.

Sermon on the mount? Loaves and fishes?

He sermonized if they showed up, he didn't go looking for them.

Unless you are one of those who believes the bible is infallible, it's impossible to tell what Jesus was really like....it was written by people that didn't even know him.

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real life wrote:

Well, He'd have more patience with them than I do.

Canadians are the America's best friends and closest allies.

real life wrote:

Would you vote for Jesus as PM of Canada?

I might if he did not cater to Eastern Canada to the detriment of Western Canada, and he brought in equal representation when it came to voting.

real life wrote:

Do you consider yourself a liberal?

From the tests I've taken on the Internet it seems I am more a libertarian than anything else, but I would say that this polarization of liberal vs. conservative is pretty much of a self-imposed artifice and does not do justice to the variance of political thought.

real life wrote:

Do you think that Jesus was a liberal?

If American liberalism supports the worship of a violent, vengeful god who then orders us to be loving and non-violent then sure, Jesus was a liberal. Is that your definition of a liberal?

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I see "real life" has no interest in commenting on the passage from Matthew which i posted.

Chumly could not possibly vote for the Prime Minister of Canada, unless the individual concerned sat for the riding in which Chumly is located. Prime Ministers in the Westminster system are not elected by a national at-large election as are American Presidents.

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If your boy Jeebus were a Liberal or a Tory, and he was elected Leader in the party caucus, and he won the seat in his riding, and his party got the most seats in a Federal election--then, yeah, he could be PM of Canada. If Jeebus were a New Democrat . . . no way in Hell.

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Quote:

About Fair Voting

Representative democracy is a simple concept. Citizens elect their representatives. The majority win the right to make decisions.

But do Canadians actually have representative democracy?

In the 2006 federal election, more than 650,000 Green Party voters across the country elected no one. Meanwhile, fewer than a half-million Liberal voters in Atlantic Canada alone elected 20 MPs. In the prairie provinces, Conservatives won three times as many votes as the Liberals, but were given nearly ten times as many seats. But more than 400,000 Conservative voters in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver couldn't elect a single MP. The NDP attracted a million more votes than the Bloc, but the voting system gave the Bloc 51 seats and the NDP 29.

What about majority rule? Canadians are usually ruled by majority governments that the majority voted against. In some provincial elections, parties coming in second in the popular vote have won majority control of the legislature. In other cases, the opposition is sometimes reduced to a seat or two (and in one case, none at all) despite representing forty percent of the electorate.

http://www.fairvote.ca/en/about_fairvoting

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Setanta wrote:

I see "real life" has no interest in commenting on the passage from Matthew which i posted.

Actually, you posted the same passage in another thread and I did comment on it.

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I posted it here first, where it is directly germane to the topic of the thread. I'll go look at your song and dance routine in the other thread, however. I'm sure it's a corker--you always go into real contortions when scripture doesn't patently say what you want to claim it means.

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Sorry, saw it in the other thread first.

Basically, the passage in Matthew is about the rewards given for individual actions.

It really has nothing to do with what the government does, so it's really a stretch to say the Christ was advocating liberal social policy.

Christ rewarded individual deeds of charity, not deeds of 'charity' that were mandated by government action.

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You can't open your mouth with lying either directly or inferentially, can you?

Kicky alleged that your boy Jesus is liberal. You asked for evidence to that effect. I provided said evidence. I said nothing about "liberal social policy," i said nothing about what governments should do.

Try to keep up, and try not to twist everything everyone else posts.

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Setanta wrote:

You can't open your mouth with lying either directly or inferentially, can you?

Kicky alleged that your boy Jesus is liberal. You asked for evidence to that effect. I provided said evidence. I said nothing about "liberal social policy," i said nothing about what governments should do.

Try to keep up, and try not to twist everything everyone else posts.

Please read the context .

kickycan wrote:

This is mostly for the Conservative Christians, but anyone's opinion would be welcome.

So, you all know what a big liberal Jesus was. So how do you reconcile this with your conservative political principals?

Would you vote for Jesus if he came back to earth today and decided to run against McCain?

It is clear that kicky started the thread asking about Jesus' supposed 'liberal' views in a political context.

The fact that 'you've said nothing about government' just means that you're not addressing the topic.

Even the title:

Would you vote for Jesus?

should give you a clue.

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Re: Would you vote for Jesus?
Well, of course, i don't expect you to have a clue at all. First . . .

kickycan wrote:

So, you all know what a big liberal Jesus was.

Then . . .

real life wrote:

Perhaps it would help if you specify why you think 'Jesus was a liberal'.

Therefore, my reference to Matthew was a response to that exchange. You very specifically did not address or introduce any concept of government programs when you asked Kicky that question.

As for what programs you allege are identifiably "liberal," you on shifting ground there. Tory governments right across Canada rushed to push through social programs, especially medicare, after the success of Tommy Douglas's CCF government in Saskatchewan. The National Socialist German Workers' Party ran soup kitchens, handed out food and clothing, and set up make-work projects for unemployed Germans--only brain dead American reactionaries try to claim that the Nazis actually were socialists. Right-wing politicians will embrace left-wing policies if they think it will get them elected, and left-wing politicians will take a hard conservative line if they think that will get them elected.

The exchange which i quoted above was the passage to which i referred when quoting scripture. That you don't have an argument for that is not my fault--get over it.

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Hey Set..be kind to me - this is what I have always believed and I love the passage you quoted in Matthew. Jesus (according to what I have learned and understand in my own reading of scripture) was not a political entity

Was Jesus liberal in that he was willing to go against the Pharisees that set the laws and requirements for the Jewish people? Or was he liberal because he chose to eat with publicans and sinners? Or was he liberal because he believed in teaching to deny yourself and serve others so that no one would do without? These are not political teachings. These are personal beliefs that he lived out during his time on earth.

Would he be considered liberal in this day and age? I really don't think so. He was not interested in taking over the throne there. He was not trying to overthrow any government. He was interested in changing the old ideas of men to be less concrete - to see the unshakeable kingdom which was the kingdom of God. It was their heart he was interested in. There is no way that this can be translated to politics today in my opinion.

Luke 17:20, 21

20 Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

He would have never run for President.

The passage in Matthew is talking about God seperating those who believed and followed the teachings of Jesus from those who did not. He is talking about how these people that he considered sheep - the ones who fed and clothed the hungry and naked, the ones who befriended the lonely, the ones that adopted his teachings and lived them out would be seperated from those who did not.

The next passage you mentioned - the one where they ask Jesus if it was lawful to pay tribute to Ceasar, Jesus was simply saying when it comes to taxes and the things the government requires, it is lawful and good to give over these things.

Now had Ceasar required Jesus to bow down and worship him...I can guarantee you that Jesus would have refused because he knew that he could not worship anything but the Lord God.

I post this with fear and trembling. Mainly because sometimes when I read the criticisms of those who believe the Bible, it can be a bit venomous. I do not mind talking about what I believe - I just sense an anger about it sometimes and I take it personally - I will try not to.

And it is okay - I already know that many of you believe that those that believe and practice the Bible are lunatics. I am pretty sure I'm not :wink: but it's a free country Razz

believe what you will.

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I agree that your boy Jesus would not have run for political office. I find the passage of Luke which you quote far more significant for his statement that the kingdom of heaven lies within the individual. This part of the message is consistently missed or ignored by the canting religionists who insist upon an unswerving adherence to doctrinal purity (which is to say, their doctrine) and participation in an organized church, with especial emphasis on precisely what one need to to get into heaven.

Jeebus' story is that heaven is already there, inside you--you just have to find it.

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And by the way, i consider the lunatics to be those who attempt to shove what they believe down the throats of others. The great majority of the members at this site are, at least ostensibly, christian. I have not discussed christianity with them, nor have i ever criticized them for adherence to their faith. It's the nut jobs who want to tell the rest of us how to live, and who spread lies and practice deceit who get the venom from me.

Bishop Burnet lived in the mid-17th century, and his journals and correspondence are a prime source of the period of English history known as the Restoration. He once wrote that the King (King Charles II, 1630-1685, r. 1660-1685) had a strange notion of god's love and had said to him:

"The only things that God hates are that we be evil and that we design mischief."

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I did not think you personally had Setanta...so forgive me if I made it seem that way. My fear of criticism is what the problem is...I told JPB this morning it was something I needed to get over. And I do. Thanks Set

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