Ben Stien's new movie EXSPELLED

So, he's still around?

Guess so.

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Should be interesting. The trailer seems compelling.

Compelling enough to spend the money on the ticket, a soda, and either some mike&Ikes or twizzlers (it depends on my mood).

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Nah. Gotta have that theater popcorn. It adds years to yer life.

Er, inches to yer butt.

Can't remember.

I heard an ad for the movie on the radio last night. Apparently there are a couple of critics who think it's a "must see". There's always a critic somewhere who will say anything.

Science and religion are as intimately intertwined as biology and music theory.

Ben Stein

All I know is that the movie is very low on facts and that the ironically named Discovery Institute will have to distance itself from this movie later on, as the movie makes links between ID and religion.

Are these your personal opinions or do you have factual information to back up your claims? If you have factual information, please present it.

Oh good, so the Discovery Institute is going to have to do more damage control in their back lines. The exercise will do them good.

Im waiting till a bunch of us have seen it. No matter what ones opinion, it is a "must see". Perhaps itll be a train wreck, or maybe there will be some substance (Im betting against that ) in side.

No matter what, I noticed that this may have been a good career move for Stein whos been absent from most everything except one or two commercials.

Well then. There is not much doubt that objective opinions about this movie will not come from the two of you Mr. farmerman and rosborne979. It sounds to me like you've already made your minds up so why bother watching it?

New Scientist, Richard Dawkins and others have all reviewed it. They have told me all there is to know about the movie.

Every critique talks about the endless clips of Nazis. They keep making links between Evolution and Nazis. Consistently! Not only is it wrong (Darwin's Origin of Species was banned in Nazi Germany and Hitler believed the Aryans descended from the Heavens), they don't even explain the link.

The movie explicitly has one thread of logic: that teaching evolution is akin to tellling children there is no God or morality and that it will lead to Holocaust. In this, they are ruining ID's chances of being accepted in classrooms, because the US explicitly forbids the establishment of religion (any religion) in school.

Right and wrong, by the way, should be taught by parents, not the school and especially not in science classes, which do not talk about such things. (Although it would be interesting to have bio-ethics classes in schools)

Besides, FM and Ros we might have to watch the movie in order to find out what lies are being perpetrated by Stein and his ilk, because I'd like to point out that ID thrives on telling lies and half-truths.

It's a wonder Behe wasn't tried for perjury.

Unless I'm really looking forward to a movie (like Iron Man), I generally check IMDB to see what people think before wasting my time/money on it.

Do you really think that Ben Stein is going to tell me something I don't already know after about a billion posts on A2K and a Dover court trial and A Flock of Dodo's and a few other PBS specials? What is it you think he's going to say that adds anything new to the spectacle?

I know its all format over substance, but what the hell, I think weve all watched and hoped for something new on the IDjit mind to make arguing even worthwhile.

Southern pride-welcome to A2K. Im glad you are a Creationist leaning person, weve run low on new opinions from many of that school.

1The IDjits want us to believe that they are scientists, yet they are funded by an organization that wants to
"Reestablish the place of Christian values into the materialist culture taught within our public schools"

2The IDjits have tried to place some distance between themselves and the Creationists but at the same time the Creationists and IDjits have teamed up to fight against "viewpoint discrimination" and admittedly religious view.
3 The IDjits and Creationists have yet to provide any evidence of their own worldview yet their arguments are made up mostly of denial of the real evidence compiled by real science

You have any evidence on you?

The eagerness of "anti IDers" to denounce a film they haven't yet seen, or to cite the pronouncements of the high priests of their particular beliefs
tells us all we need to know about their scientific objectivity and quest for real understanding.

For that very reason, I say we reserve all opinions lest the"true believers" criticize the godless crowd of jumping to unfounded conclusions. Its not running in many theaters around me. I have to travel all the way to WEST CHESTER or HaRRISBURG

I'm not looking to base ANY opinion on a film. As it has been stated already pretty clear that the film probably won't add or subtract much to the ongoing dialogue on the topic. Even if the movie is several hours long, I'm sure there are more facts here at A2K etc.

I think the film has value still. I think it's value is mostly to see what the ID argument's final stand looks like. The problem with making a film like this is that it will forge what the discussion on the topic looks like. This isn't always a problem, but when ID is presented as science, it fails.

Look to the future as the film is discussed and the general public gets to see a rebuttle in the midst of pop-culture.

get ready.

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