Pit Bulls

Oh, I am old enough to remember when the same craziness was directed at Dobermans in the 50s as is now being directed at Pit Bulls.

They would attacked anyone and even turn on their loving owners for no reason.

Given the 70 millions dogs of all breeds and the five million plus pit bulls that live in the homes of 300 millions people a death rate of a dozen or even two dozens people a year is beyond tiny even if sad for the few people it occur to.

If humans were as peaceful and as harmless as Pit Bulls we would have almost a zero murder rate in this country.

In my 62 years of life I been attacked by fellow humans and step on by a horse but even those I was raised around and been around large dogs of all types for six decades not one dog had done any harm to me.

Oh and I am the kind of nut who will stop my car and picked up a stay dog along the highway without a second thought that I will be harm by him or her.

I came this way due to my mother who had now been on this earth for 90 years and also been around dogs for most of that time.

Once she and my father were visiting a car repair shop and she went over and started loving up a very large dog.

The shop owner when seeing this turned white and told my father to call my mother over in a low tone and then he informed both of them that the dog was so hostile that the owner would have little to do with him beyond feeding him and walking him.

To sum up yes out of a population of 300 millions people and 70 millions dogs you can picked out sad events but those events say nothing about dogs as a class or Pit Bulls as a breed.

You know Ticomaya I am going to need to learn like you to post pictures as one of the stories I had posted had a "lovely" picture of a child face/teethes push in by a horse kick to the head/face.

Nothing like throwing common sense and facts out the door by showing a child harm is there?

We need to turn all horses into dog foods for pit bulls so the children would then be far safer.

Feel free to start a new thread to discuss your thoughts about horses, BillRM.

Nice try but no need to do so as in a population of 300 hundreds millions it is my opinion that 200 plus human deaths by horses a year is well worth the price of having horses in our lives just as a dozen deaths a year even if sad is well worth having large dogs even "devil" dogs such as the Pit Bulls in our lives.

Even given a lot of mistreatments it is very very rare event that any dog of any breed will view humans as prey animals and if Pit Bulls was not around so a few Pit Bulls could received such mistreatments and rarely turn into killers we would then have another breed of large dogs such as the former “devil dog” the Doberman become the popular target for such mistreatments and charges that they were as a breed human killers.

The only solution to having a few humans kill a year by the millions of large dogs in the US we interact with is to destroy not one breed of large dogs but all breeds of large dogs.

Once more if humans were as safe as Pit Bulls even those who had received abused all their lives our murder rate would be near zero.I had never been a owner of a Pit Bull but I had been around them in some numbers and seen no differences at all between their behaviors and any other breed of dog.

Hell if you would like an amusing picture I had watch a large male Pit Bull belonging to a neighbor laying peacefully on my mother living room floor as my mother very small and very annoying small dog were annoyng him at the same time as one of my cats was checking him out.

Tico, this reminds me of firefly's rape thread. Once Bill(The Pit Bull) gets his jaws on a counter argument there's no lettin' go.

He's got a locking jaw, does he? Goes after his prey like a pit bull?

Here's an amusing picture ...

How cute and that is the sum of your logic and your arguments it would seem.

Let all fear pit bulls out of all reason and against all common sense and let go around the nation and tear loving and peaceful dogs by the millions away from their families and kill them.

And the next year when the total tiny death rate of a dozen or so out of a population of 300 millions is the same then what?

Do you then select another breed and post pictures with their jaws open in attack mode or do we just decide that all dogs breeds over twenty pounds must go?

Is it not hell when logic is not on your side of an issue or that a dozen deaths or so yearly from all 70 millions dogs of all breeds is overwhelm by the 200 plus deaths by horses for example?

Off hand I can not think of too many objects or animals safer to have in you household then a pit bull.

Far safer for a child then his or her own crib that end up killing yearly 50 or so children in spite of all the safety rules and recalls over the years.

Yes facts are your enemy and my friend as on the rape thread the fact happen to be that we are at a 31 years low for reported rapes according to the FBI.

Bill! Go to your room!
I told you, no more rape talk!

You big and cute tease bringing up the subject....

[img]Off hand I can not think of too many objects or animals safer to have in you household then a pit bull.[/img]

I can help - My 20 year old cat; my doggie - his breed doesn't even make the list of dog bites...I could go on.

The very worst that I been hurt by any animal in my life was by a poor hurt cat I was trying to aid.

You perhaps - but you don't know my aging sweet kittie and she is way too old and frail to do much damage. She does not have any claws and her teeth are no longer strong. So I doubt she could even pierce the skin even if she wanted to. I highly doubt she could maim or kill.

Fine your old declaw cat is harmless however pound for pound a normal cat is a hell of a powerful predator who could indeed be deadly to a new born and is in any case able to do severe harm to children.

I handle my cats with the same respect I would show to any type of dog if not more so.

Hell I had seen one small female cat unprovoked attacked a 60 pounds German shepherd and chased him for two blocks.

Then after returning to me happy and proud as could be she attacked and begin fighting my dog.

With one hand I picked up my dog and with the other the cat and told both of them to knock if off as whoever would win I would still need to pay the vet bills.

Second note my vet whole staff at the time also fear this strange little cat who I could do anything with but anyone else in the world was not so lucky.

I would never never had placed her into a household with young children.

A cat can attack, but cannot kill a human being - there has not been a documented case - please let me know if you find out otherwise other than urban legends.

"Second, although it is theoretically possible for a cat to claw a human throat deep enough to slash the jugular vein, it simply goes against the grain to believe a cat would do this to a sleeping human companion. In fact, on searching Google for "killer cat," the most common hits were a series of books written for children, by author Anne Fine, along with numerous web pages about cats killing wildlife or other cats. I have only seen one (possibly) verified story of a cat scratch leading to death, and that was a case of an elderly woman with extremely thin skin and weak veins, who was accidentally scratched on the leg by her cat when he was asking to be picked up. "

http://cats.about.com/od/catloreurbanlegends/f/killercat.htm

Ironically upon searching for any cats that have killed a human - there was one that showed up in the search about a pit bull killing a cat.

Pet cat's attack sends N.L. siblings to hospital
Last Updated: Friday, July 31, 2009 | 1:35 PM NT CBC News Back to accessibility links

ContentA man from Mount Pearl, N.L., and his sister were taken to hospital after a pet cat attacked them earlier this week.

Wilfred Dobbin suffered cuts to his left hand while his sister needed nine stitches to close a wound on her upper arm. A claw also had to be removed from her arm.

Dobbin said his normally friendly and gentle female cat named Smokey attacked his sister in a bedroom in his apartment on Wednesday.

Dobbin said his sister was petting and cuddling with the cat on the bed before the attack. When she got up to close the bedroom door and return to the bed, the cat attacked her.

Dobbin said he was in the living room when the attack occurred. He said he saw Smokey on top of his sister when she came out of the bedroom. He said the cat was clawing and biting his sister.

“The ears were back, the eyes were squinted, the teeth were showing like a wolf when it growls,” Dobbin told CBC News on Friday. “Every hair on the cat was up – urine coming of the cat. It was just like something out of a horror movie,” he said.

Dobbin said he grabbed his cat by the back of the neck and managed to get it off his sister. She called 911 before escaping through the living room window with her four-year-old daughter.

Dobbin backed the cat up into the bedroom so he could close the door and get out of the apartment.

Police arrived to catch Smokey while Dobbin and his sister were transported to hospital by ambulance.

Dobbin said Smokey was in the custody of animal control being tested for disease. He said he has made a painful decision to euthanize the cat.

“I love her like a child. It’s going to be heartbreaking for me to put her down,” he said.




DEPRIVED OF KITTENS CAT ATTACKS BABY; Mother Terribly Clawed -- Father and Two Policemen Hurt in Killing It.
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Apparently going suddenly crazy over the loss of her five kittens which had been drowned, a large gray cat early yesterday morning attacked the three-months-old baby of Mr. and Mrs. David Sauer, who live on the fourth, floor of a tenement at 555 Ninth Avenue, and inflicted injuries from which the child may die.
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We had gone from harming and being dangerous to killing?

An early 1900s New York time article let the question of if a child will survive a household cat attack up in the air. See the above posting.

Footnote the link to the story of he mother cat perhaps killing the infant is

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70711FA3E5417738DDDAC0994DD405B808DF1D3

Second how does this cat issue related to the wisdom of seizing 5 millions plus pit bulls and killing them? Claiming it is needed because of the 12 deaths on average from all dogs attacks in the country yearly??????

I realize this may come as a shock to you, but I am not arguing with you. What an exercise in futility that would be.