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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:43 am
I criticized Asherman for describing Roxxxxxxannie as a racist bigot. What planet were you reading on when you came up with your previous bullshit, and the bullshit you just posted?

Asherman wrote:
No matter how much you blind yourself to it, its obvious that the only reason you object to Ms. Rice on the ticket is that she is Black, she's an educated woman who has risen on merit, and that just isn't acceptable to a bigoted racist like yourself.


You could be more wrong than you are in this case, McWhitey, but you'd sure have to work hard at it.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:52 am
Set,
You are criticizing Ash for calling Roxxxanne a "racist bigot", yet you continue to use the term "McWhitey".

Do you not see the racism in that remark?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:54 am
MM, there was a thread in which McWhitey proclaimed himself to be caucasian, much to the amusement of the other participants in the thread. I then began to address him as McCaucasian, but he told me that i didn't need to be so formal, and so i began to call him McWhitey. He since has claimed to have rescinded his "permission" to call him McWhitey . . .


. . . to which i say: "Too late now, McWhitey, you're stuck with it ! ! !"
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:56 am
Setanta wrote:
MM, there was a thread in which McWhitey proclaimed himself to be caucasian, much to the amusement of the other participants in the thread. I then began to address him as McCaucasian, but he told me that i didn't need to be so formal, and so i began to call him McWhitey. He since has claimed to have rescinded his "permission" to call him McWhitey . . .


. . . to which i say: "Too late now, McWhitey, you're stuck with it ! ! !"


So if I have a black friend that for some reason gives me "permission" to call him a n***er, thats not racist?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:58 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Although I have a lot of respect for Rice, I don't think that she would be the best running mate for McCain. She is too tightly connected to the Bush administration.

and their lies. How can one respect a liar? Serious lies that have led to untold suffering and death for large numbers of innocent people.

I think that in order to counter Obama's "charisma", we need a v-p who has a very engaging personality. I don't think that Condi fills the bill. I would have opted for Colin Powell, who would have been a wonderful running mate.......................ten years ago!


Another yes man who's shown that he's willing to lie, even when he knows that many innocent people will die.

Phoenix, have you not seen the video where these two tell how Saddam is no threat, that he's contained, that he has no real chance of operating militarily? Then a few months later they're chomping at the bit to sell their souls to the devil.

Quote:


Low Point - Colin Powell's Credibility Curve Ball: February 5, 2003
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As Arianna Huffington said in Salon in 2003, Powell's UN speech came just days after the Presidential "Misstatement of the Union:"

The Secretary went on at great length about the intense vetting process -- "four days and three nights" locked up with the leaders of the CIA, working "until midnight, 1 o'clock every morning," going over "every single thing we knew about all of the various issues with respect to weapons of mass destruction" -- that went into deciding what information would be used in his United Nations presentation. A presentation that ultimately did not include the Niger allegation because it was not, in Powell's words, "standing the test of time."

Hmmm, just how hard is that test? Powell's U.N. speech came a mere eight days after Bush's State of the Union -- leaving one to wonder what the expiration date is on patently phony data. About a week after a president uses it, it turns out.

http://avuncularamerican.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/low-point---col.html



Quote:

Former aide: Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'

Powell's speech, delivered on February 5, 2003, made the case for the war by presenting U.S. intelligence that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Wilkerson says the information in Powell's presentation initially came from a document he described as "sort of a Chinese menu" that was provided by the White House.

"(Powell) came through the door ... and he had in his hands a sheaf of papers, and he said, 'This is what I've got to present at the United Nations according to the White House, and you need to look at it,'" Wilkerson says in the program. "It was anything but an intelligence document. It was, as some people characterized it later, sort of a Chinese menu from which you could pick and choose."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/

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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:59 am
That does not constitute a corollary to the situation i described. Do you consider "Whitey" to be an inherently racist term? Was Whitey Ford a racist name which everyone just decided to tolerate?

You're being a tad sensitive there, MM. Would you pop someone in the mouth for calling you Whitey, on the assumption that it were a racist epithet?
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 09:59 am
Oh come on, guys. Roxxanne has been accusing everyone of being racist for daring to question her blind support for Obama. Obama's 20yr. intimate relationship with Rev. Wright and his racially bigoted church is an issue raised by the Clinton campaign. The issue legitimately raises questions about Obama's judgment and stature as a "post-racist" candidate. No conservative, no Republican here that I know of ever raised Obama's race as an issue. However, Roxxanne and teenyb have insisted that any questions that might not show Obama with a halo MUST be racially motivated by wealthy White men who dominate America. Those two have specifically charged any criticism of Obama is RACIST.

Now, Roxxanne criticizes Ms. Rice, an educated, Black Woman who has apparently expressed some interest in running on the Republican ticket. Roxxanne's rational for criticising Ms. Rice is clear, Condi is "tainted" by serving in the current administration. However, using the same "logic" that drove her to call me a privileged racist white man afraid of having a Black Man run for President, why shouldn't we make the same leap and accuse Roxxanne of being a racists and anti-feminist?

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

The thing is Roxxanne isn't really a racist or anti-feminist any more than I am. She is a partisan hypocrite, and I assert that I am not.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 10:00 am
Asherman wrote:
The thing is Roxxanne isn't really a racist or anti-feminist any more than I am. She is a partisan hypocrite, and I assert that I am not.


I'm glad to see you're being honest. I can go along with that, up to the point at which you deny that you're a partisan hypocrite.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 10:01 am
Who is McWhitey?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 10:02 am
also known as McGentrix . . .
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 11:36 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Although I have a lot of respect for Rice, I don't think that she would be the best running mate for McCain. She is too tightly connected to the Bush administration.

I think that in order to counter Obama's "charisma", we need a v-p who has a very engaging personality. I don't think that Condi fills the bill. I would have opted for Colin Powell, who would have been a wonderful running mate.......................ten years ago!


Powell doesn't show the best judgement.

He was against military action throwing Saddam out of Kuwait in 1990.

Though he was a good soldier and followed orders and executed the plan, he was against the idea.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 11:44 am
Asherman wrote:
Oh come on, guys. Roxxanne has been accusing everyone of being racist for daring to question her blind support for Obama. .....However, Roxxanne and teenyb have insisted that any questions that might not show Obama with a halo MUST be racially motivated by wealthy White men who dominate America. Those two have specifically charged any criticism of Obama is RACIST.


Now this section is very true.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:00 pm
maporsche wrote:
Asherman wrote:
Oh come on, guys. Roxxanne has been accusing everyone of being racist for daring to question her blind support for Obama. .....However, Roxxanne and teenyb have insisted that any questions that might not show Obama with a halo MUST be racially motivated by wealthy White men who dominate America. Those two have specifically charged any criticism of Obama is RACIST.


Now this section is very true.


Yep. And any of us who presume to admire a conservative who happens to be black and/or their point of view are branded the worst form of racist too but are not nearly as severely criticized and condemned as are those conservatives who happen to be black. Smile

This says to me that criticism of a black person isn't necessarily racist. Just criticism of a LIBERAL black person is racist. Don't look for Condi to get any kind of fair treatment from the liberal community because she's pretty conservative.

(I always thought a presidential matchup of Hillary vs Condi would have been the most fun campaign in the history of this country. Smile)
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:25 pm
Foxfyre wrote:


Yep. And any of us who presume to admire a conservative who happens to be black and/or their point of view are branded the worst form of racist too but are not nearly as severely criticized and condemned as are those conservatives who happen to be black. Smile

This says to me that criticism of a black person isn't necessarily racist. Just criticism of a LIBERAL black person is racist. Don't look for Condi to get any kind of fair treatment from the liberal community because she's pretty conservative.



It doesn't matter an inkling what color their skin is. What matters is that they are/were more than willing to compromise themselves by telling enormous lies to provide cover for an even bigger set of liars.

You're like a daughter of a mafiosa, Foxy, completely unwilling to face the truth.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 01:44 pm
This just in. . . .

Rice Again Denies VP AspirationsLINK
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 01:46 pm
I saw an interview with her once where she said she actually wanted to be the commissioner of the NFL.
She is a huge football fan and considers that her dream job.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 02:06 pm
Asherman wrote:
No matter how much you blind yourself to it, its obvious that the only reason you object to Ms. Rice on the ticket is that she is Black, she's an educated woman who has risen on merit, and that just isn't acceptable to a bigoted racist like yourself.


It has nothing to do with race or gender. Rice's problem to Roxxxanne is quite clearly the whole conservative and right-leaning part. Not the black and female part.

It's no different than your own knee-jerk partisanship. You don't object to Obama because he's black, you object to him because he's liberal and I have to agree with Setanta in that you are far out of line to try to portray Roxxxanne as a racist instead of merely an ideologue like yourself with a bit more of the ole jerking knee and a lot more of the convoluted invective.

Ideologue is pejorative enough and well supported (if slightly hypocritical coming from you). "Bigoted racist" is baseless.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:05 pm
Robert,

Where were you when Roxxanne and Teenb accused anyone who dared question Obama's judgment, experience, or 20 year intimate association with a racially bigoted church, of being rich white racists afraid of having a Black candidate for the Presidency? Now, they were serious and their personal attacks were clearly racist in and of themselves.

When Roxxanne attacks a well-educated Black Republican Woman, it just seemed fair to use her own illogic to demonstrated how partisan and biased she is. I never for a moment expected that anyone might think that I seriously intended to accuse Roxxanne of racism BECAUSE of her dislike of Ms. Rice. Roxxanne IS, I believe, a racist but her racial prejudices are focused on white people. Roxxanne by her posts apparently hates men (especially if they happen to be White), Republicans, Capitalism and the unequal distribution of wealth and property. She is a bigot... a big mouthed bigot.

Am I "guilty" of blatant partisanship? Probably, but so what? Everyone on this site is blatantly partisan, but not everyone goes around seriously accusing others of racism, dishonesty, cowardice, insanity, etc., etc. That is what we have come to expect of the most left-leaning zealots here. My particular prejudice is against those Americans who hate America, chauvinism and bigotry in all their stinking forms, and those who believe that somehow they hold The answer to unlocking the doors to Utopia.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:16 pm
Here's another one by one of my more favorite columnists who not only picks up on all the themes that the left won't admit re Condi but the ones that the right is reluctant to acknowledge.

April 08, 2008
Run, Condi, Run!
By Eugene Robinson

Oh please oh please oh please. I know it's undignified to beg, but please let John McCain pick Condoleezza Rice as his running mate.

I know that this campaign has already bestowed an embarrassment of riches upon those of us who are paid to watch and listen. With its vivid, compelling characters, its abrupt reversals of fortune and its ever-rising stakes, the presidential contest has been the best reality show on television. It seems almost greedy to hope for yet another infusion of star power so late in the season.

And yes, I'm aware that it probably won't happen. Then again, this campaign hasn't shown much regard for probability. A couple of years ago, what sort of odds could you have gotten from Vegas bookmakers on the scenario that Barack Obama, the first viable black presidential contender, would be leading Hillary Clinton, the first viable female candidate, for the chance to run against McCain, long considered a pariah by his party's activist base?


Rice's name was tossed into the mix by Dan Senor, a Republican "strategist" who is best known for his "What, me worry?" performances a few years ago as spokesman for the U.S. civilian authority in Iraq. On ABC's "This Week," Senor noted that Rice recently appeared at one of right-wing activist Grover Norquist's regular meetings for the conservative "chattering class" -- an unusual foray into domestic politics for a sitting secretary of state -- and claimed that Rice "has been actively, actually in recent weeks, campaigning" for a spot on the ticket with McCain.

The notion drew laughter from Sean McCormack, Rice's spokesman, who told reporters that if Rice is indeed campaigning for the vice presidential nomination, "she's the last one to know about it." Then he dusted off the formulation that Rice always uses to deflect questions about her possible political ambitions, which is to ask "how many ways" she can say no.

The thing is, though, that -- understandably -- Rice doesn't go all the way and make an airtight, Sherman-like statement. Why should she foreclose her options? Given the craziness of this political year, who knows what might happen? And looking down the road, the quiet groves of academe -- where she vows to retire, like a latter-day Cincinnatus -- may prove less than stimulating after the heady experience of running the world. I've always thought it more likely that she would eventually be tempted to run for the Senate from California, rather than jump right into presidential politics.

Asked about picking the nation's top diplomat as his running mate, McCain was diplomatic -- but totally noncommittal. "I think she's a great American," he said. "I think there's very little that I can say that isn't anything but the utmost praise for a great American citizen."

She wouldn't bring any political base to the ticket, since she doesn't have one. She wouldn't bring any regional advantage, since McCain is almost certain to beat either Democrat in Rice's native state of Alabama, and almost certain to lose to either Democrat in Rice's adopted state of California. And while McCain has tied his candidacy to the Iraq occupation, he maintains some distance from the Bush administration by charging that until recently the war was woefully mismanaged. Rice, as national security adviser in Bush's first term, was one of the mismanagers.

She would, however, provide three things that McCain could really use: relative youth, undeniable pizzazz and photogenic diversity. The Republican Party is in danger of presenting a ticket that looks like a tintype portrait of yesterday -- while the Democratic Party shows the nation a YouTube video of tomorrow.

All right, there's another problem. Rice has described herself as "mildly pro-choice" on abortion and pronounced her support for affirmative action "if it does not lead to quotas." Given McCain's apostate views on immigration, global warming and campaign finance, it's hard to see how he could pick someone with so little regard for the Republican Party's bedrock views.

So I won't hold my breath. But I can't help but imagine having another controversial, larger-than-life character wade into the fray, one who not only raises McCain's big wager on Iraq but also takes us further into terra incognita on issues of race and gender. Whatever you think of Condoleezza Rice, she's a formidable woman with more qualifications than almost any other vice presidential choice I can think of. We'd get to watch another brilliant political novice try to take the country by storm. And, as a bonus, there would be the piano recitals, the early-morning workouts, the skybox appearances at football games, the impromptu lectures on Russian history (in Russian), the daily fashion show ...

Pleeeeeease?
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