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Kids plot to attack teacher

 
 
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 10:40 am
To follow chumly's reasoning.... I often come back to the family unit. When a parent lets a child watch a huge amount of TV, especially TV that is not age-appropriate - well that is its own base for bad behavior.

The permissive parents are at least laisse-faire, or possible ignorant themselves. A child growing up with a parent like this doesn't get read-to. She doesn't 'do things' with her parents. Parents may work long hours, may be preoccupied with their own lives (dating sometimes takes precedence over child-rearing for single moms), or perhaps they are depressed or otherwise incapable. Beyond the reading thing, this negligence sets up a child who is not getting the right kind of parent-child inter-relationship contact that leads to proper socialization (and people wonder why schools get involved with socialization!). Often a child in this type of situation will be spoiled in a sense. There aren't a whole lot of healthy limits or obligations that the child will have at home.

And the above doesn't take into account that these children might have been abused in some way (though it does touch on negligence). Without proper socialization, with anti-social and violent TV watching (I truly don't think this is the big issue here), and possibly some sort of abuse and a child does some mightily odd things. Often they are self-inflicted, sometimes they lash out.

And speaking of that - where's the outcry for 3rd graders who want to kill themselves? Or those who start drinking at an early age? Same basis, likely.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 10:50 am
Sounds 'bout right, many politicians use the popular media / high tech toys as an easy scapegoat!
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 11:02 am
Not just politicians. It is an easy out and one that on the surface is obvious. Politicians, parents and probably teachers don't want to admit their own failures or have to think too hard about how to fix the problem.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 11:16 am
A merited observation!
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 11:18 am
And, as to food...... now you've gotten me started..... I am always trying to get the kids (special needs or otherwise) to eat their protein. Especially for kids with ADHD and other disorders, energy can be burned really really fast. They need both quick (juice, crackers, bread, cookies) and slow energy (cheese, meats, milk) to get through the day without getting really cranky. And this is not even on the level of whole meals as it doesn't address fruits and vegetables - it's just about keeping up the energy levels.

Unfortunately that need isn't felt internally for many special needs kids. These can't distinguish their need to eat and their need to use the bathroom from their need to finish a writing assignment or their need to tell a friend a joke. So, it's up to teachers and aides (like me) to make sure they eat appropriately while at school.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2008 11:20 am
Chumly wrote:
A merited observation!


Why thankee.

I feel pretty close to this issue. I work as an aide in an elementary school. I've heard kids with special needs say and do some interesting things. One child told me when he grew up he was going to murder me. Do I think he will? No. Did he really mean it when he said it? Not that he understood what death meant, bet yes. He was mad at me, that was the worst thing he could think of to say to express his anger.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 05:24 am
Chumly wrote:
Many malignant organizations have risen
to great influence well before the existence of high tech toys / media.

Many individual sick-o acts have taken place well before the existence
of high tech toys / media.

Your point is very well taken.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 05:58 am
aidan wrote:
Yeah - I saw that. Very disturbing...I mean on one level I guess it's just that whole pack mentality phenomena very graphically illustrated in this little microcosm of society (a third grade classroom). What makes it kind of chilling to me is the "project" aspect of it. I mean these kids had to really get together and talk about this thing together.

What were they thinking as they were plotting to hurt this woman?

According to the story, as circumstances were described,
thay were thinking of VENGEANCE for a perceived offense to the dignity.




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It makes me wonder how much they are exposed to media -
in terms of stories like this - either fictionalized for tv and movies or
fed to them as they sit mesmerized in front of the news everyday.

Somewhere or other they learned that when someone crosses you - you get back at them.

The concept of revenge, of vindicating the dignity
of the offended party, has been around for A WHILE.

By saying that thay LEARNED it, u seem to imply that because of their age,
thay were not capable of original thought ( in THIS case, EVIL original thought ).
In your later posts, u recognize that this is not necessarily the case,
but I think that expressing this point of vu implies that young people
cannot think originally, and can only entertain concepts that r handed
to them by their elders. I do not believe that observation bears that out.

I am reminded of an incident that occurred some 50 odd years ago,
when a substitute high school teacher shouted at a student, denouncing
him or her ( I don 't remember which ) for signed his or her name
on the blackboard with " a FLOURISH ". This was in a public hi school.
It occurred to me to stand up and repremand the teacher,
pointing out that this was a public school, that we were the public,
that she was a public servant, that we owned the place and she was OUR
servant, that she was there to serve US; we were not there to serve HER,
and to demand that our employee treat her employers with proper RESPECT.
However, I did not know the victim -- a stranger-- and I was too lazy
to do what I thought was the morally right thing to do.
The * Y bother ?* filosofy, combined with inertia, won me over and I did nothing.

Who was it that said that for evil to succeed,
all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing ?

( Obviously, it was nonsense to do anything with a knife, etc,
in addressing these circumstances, and a proper matter for the police,
thinking of criminal conspiracy;
I have no idea what the criminal liability of people of that age is in that state. )




David
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 07:25 am
DAVID
Quote:
I am reminded of an incident that occurred some 50 odd years ago,
when a substitute high school teacher shouted at a student, denouncing
him or her ( I don 't remember which ) for signed his or her name
on the blackboard with " a FLOURISH ". This was in a public hi school.
It occurred to me to stand up and repremand the teacher,
pointing out that this was a public school, that we were the public,
that she was a public servant, that we owned the place and she was OUR
servant, that she was there to serve US; we were not there to serve HER,
and to demand that our employee treat her employers with proper RESPECT


So, you tried the old "You are a public servant and I am the client" routine. Did she buy it?

What if she retorted that
"You dont have any rights except to learn. Think of me as a servant to the "greater" public. Im more like a drill instructor than your butler. Now drop and give me 20 maggot".
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 08:14 am
farmerman wrote:
DAVID
Quote:
I am reminded of an incident that occurred some 50 odd years ago,
when a substitute high school teacher shouted at a student, denouncing
him or her ( I don 't remember which ) for signed his or her name
on the blackboard with " a FLOURISH ". This was in a public hi school.
It occurred to me to stand up and repremand the teacher,
pointing out that this was a public school, that we were the public,
that she was a public servant, that we owned the place and she was OUR
servant, that she was there to serve US; we were not there to serve HER,
and to demand that our employee treat her employers with proper RESPECT


So, you tried the old "You are a public servant and I am the client" routine. Did she buy it?

No.
As I indicated in the quoted allocution, tho I considered the possibility,
in that decency required my rising to the aid of my fellow citizen,
laziness required that I just forget about it.
I had fleeting thoughts of proposing to the class a motion of censure
against the teacher, and demanding an apology, but did not go thru with it.

The victim was a stranger.
In retrospect, I am not sure that my indolence led me to the right choice.




Quote:
What if she retorted that
"You dont have any rights except to learn.
Think of me as a servant to the "greater" public.
Im more like a drill instructor than your butler.
Now drop and give me 20 maggot".

I 'd have either laffed it off or taken her to task.
In the past, when I myself was concerned, I 'd done both.

Once, I almost ( unexpectedly ) killed a fat history teacher;
he looked like he was about to drop from a heart attack; major labored breathing.





David
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 09:06 am
farmerman wrote:


So, you tried the old "You are a public servant and I am the client" routine. Did she buy it?

What if she retorted that
"You dont have any rights except to learn. Think of me as a servant to the "greater" public. Im more like a drill instructor than your butler. Now drop and give me 20 maggot".


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