Speaking of propaganda...

Diest said...

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An employer does have a duty to their employees, and I'd love to hear anyone argue against that.

Tell me, what duty is that?
An employer is required to obey the labor laws, to provide a safe environment, and to pay what they said they would pay.

An employer is NOT obligated to provide day care for the employees kids, an employer is NOT obligated to provide healthcare (beyond workers comp),an employer is NOT obligated to provide any social services to their employees.

A company goes into business for one reason...to make a profit.
They dont go into business to provide social services to employees, they dont go into business because of some sense of moral duty, they go into business to make money, period.

If you dont like what the company is doing or not doing, dont work for them.

mysteryman wrote:

Diest said...

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An employer does have a duty to their employees, and I'd love to hear anyone argue against that.

Tell me, what duty is that?
An employer is required to obey the labor laws, to provide a safe environment, and to pay what they said they would pay.

An employer is NOT obligated to provide day care for the employees kids, an employer is NOT obligated to provide healthcare (beyond workers comp),an employer is NOT obligated to provide any social services to their employees.

A company goes into business for one reason...to make a profit.
They dont go into business to provide social services to employees, they dont go into business because of some sense of moral duty, they go into business to make money, period.

If you dont like what the company is doing or not doing, dont work for them.

****. Slavery.

Sorry snood, but you don't own "slavery."

maporsche wrote:

It also needs to be pointed out that blue states have a much higher cost of living than red states do. A higher % of income is spent on housing in blue states as well, leaving a lower % of income to be spent on charity.

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I would probably guess that the higher cost of living in blue states is offset by higher wages in those same blue states. So your point is moot.

Cheez n'crackers, why go all the way to "He thinks he's the spokesman of the black people"? I wasn't implying anything about my 'superior' position to speak on matters of slavery, or anything of the sort - 'fraid I have to let all that stuff about me "owning" all racial matters just be Finn's personal issue.

What I meant was that what was brought to my mind by the kind of unremitting allegiance to an employer that seemed to be suggested by mysteryman's post, with no hope for a return of acknowledgement or compassion, was "slavery".

Sometimes I almost think some folks around here have a real serious problem with a black man speaking his mind... almost like they're racial bigots, or something.


Naw...

If you dont like what the company is doing or not doing, dont work for them.

What I meant was that what was brought to my mind by the kind of unremitting allegiance to an employer that seemed to be suggested by mysteryman's post, with no hope for a return of acknowledgement or compassion, was "slavery".

DrewDad wrote:

Based on my personal experience with churches:

Wages, rent, computers networks, million dollar roof renovations....

That's the extent of your personal experiences?

I wasn't trying to say you were literally describing a slave state, Mysteryman... it is the word your argument brought to my mind, period.


Setanta's right about you real life - you try to twist things if you have no worthwhile argument.

I didn't try to characterize people who disagree with me about this particular thing as bigots.

In fact, this is a contrived conflict. I said MM's description reminded me of slavery. If the word bothers you, tough ****.

What I said was there are people who seem to have a heartburn when a black man speaks his mind. Miller and Finn were who I was thinking of, but you're pretty damn clueless yourself.

Sometimes I almost think some folks around here have a real serious problem with a black man speaking his mind... almost like they're racial bigots, or something.

It also needs to be pointed out that blue states have a much higher cost of living than red states do. A higher % of income is spent on housing in blue states as well, leaving a lower % of income to be spent on charity.

Spoken like a coward Finn. You'd rather not have to go there wouldn't you? Like it or (more likely in your case) not, african americans DO have a better comprehension of slavery based on their race. Beyond that many individuals can have a profound comprehension of it from other life experiences and education.

Your ASSUMPTION that snood's understanding of slavery comes exclusively from his race is more than insulting, it embarassing on your behalf to make such ignorant assumptions.

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Cheez n'crackers, why go all the way to "He thinks he's the spokesman of the black people"? I wasn't implying anything about my 'superior' position to speak on matters of slavery, or anything of the sort - 'fraid I have to let all that stuff about me "owning" all racial matters just be Finn's personal issue.

What I meant was that what was brought to my mind by the kind of unremitting allegiance to an employer that seemed to be suggested by mysteryman's post, with no hope for a return of acknowledgement or compassion, was "slavery".

Sometimes I almost think some folks around here have a real serious problem with a black man speaking his mind... almost like they're racial bigots, or something.


Naw...

Haven't read the history here, and may play the fool, but that seemed a very honest post, be it right or wrong.

RH




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Diest TKO wrote:

Spoken like a coward Finn. You'd rather not have to go there wouldn't you? Like it or (more likely in your case) not, african americans DO have a better comprehension of slavery based on their race. Beyond that many individuals can have a profound comprehension of it from other life experiences and education.

Your ASSUMPTION that snood's understanding of slavery comes exclusively from his race is more than insulting, it embarassing on your behalf to make such ignorant assumptions.

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Coward?

I'm all for personal barbs, but prefer those that are clever and sensible.

How is what I posted "cowardly?"

African Americans in the year 2008 have no better understanding of slavery than Greeks, French or Germans do. (Review your history young Diest and you will find that slavery is in the heritage of all three peoples).

Snood loves to assume the role of A2K's premier African-American poster, and (rightly or wrongly) a large number of his posts center on issues of race. That his idiotic reference, in this case, to slavery was coincidental is absurd.

Besides, snood hardly needs a pissant little defender like yourself, although I'm sure you hoped it would provide your with membership in The Club.