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Obama's inexperience is already showing

 
 
Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 06:57 pm
Miklos7 wrote:
Talk7200,

You speak of Obama's "immaturity." How about Senator Clinton's childish lie that she left a plane "under sniper fire," when the file videotape shows her and Chelsea waving to bystanders as they saunter across the tarmac?



Even so, I will take Obama's "immaturity" over the doddering, old fool who doesn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni and admits that he knows nothing about the economy.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:03 pm
fishin wrote:
Ah! The desperation level of the Clinton supporters is climbing...


or descending...
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:37 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Miklos7 wrote:
Talk7200,

You speak of Obama's "immaturity." How about Senator Clinton's childish lie that she left a plane "under sniper fire," when the file videotape shows her and Chelsea waving to bystanders as they saunter across the tarmac?



Even so, I will take Obama's "immaturity" over the doddering, old fool who doesn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni and admits that he knows nothing about the economy.


In terms of religious practices, do you know the difference?
What are the major religious holy days the two branches have in common, and what are the differences?
Who are the major religious leaders, living and dead, of each sect of Islam?
Can YOU look at a Muslim and tell which one is Sunni And which one is Shia?
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 10:47 pm
I can live with an Obama victory but I fear an abrupt end or escalation of tension with one or more of the world nuclear powers as with JFK and Bill Clinton in the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Kosovo airport incident with Russian armored personnel vehicle carriers in the runway blocking American warplanes from landing in the Pristina Airport.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 11:07 pm
Here is the discussion about States moving up their Primaries schedules.

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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 11:25 pm
Wikipedia
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fishin
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 06:12 am
talk72000 wrote:



First of all, there are 2 seperate rules - one within the Democratic Party and one within the Republican Party. The discussion here is strictly with teh Democratic Party hence, that removes Wyoming from your list of violaters.

And Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada were all specifically exempted from the rule when the Feb 5th date limit was set. You can't be in violation of a rule if the rule specificlly excludes you.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 06:39 am
It doesn't only specifically exclude -- it's designed that way. Hear from four very different regions and see what they have to say, before having the big day that could decide the nominee.

So,

Iowa: Midwestern, white, farmers, etc.

NH: Northeastern, white, intellectuals + rank-and-file Dems, etc.

NV: Western/ Southwestern, large Hispanic population + rural whites, etc.

SC: Southern, large black population, etc.

Greatly oversimplifying the attributes of each state of course -- point is that it is a purposely diverse group, meant to see which candidate does best with all of these different parts of America. Does he or she do great in Iowa but tank in SC? Etc.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 07:11 pm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:21 pm
Are you normal to allow this state of affairs?
An unwed mother( twenty years old) had no warmth from her parents.
Christian culture?

Experience?
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:28 pm
Re: Obama's inexperience is already showing
talk72000 wrote:
He wants to overturn the Democratic Party's superdelegates' role in choosing a nominee who will be accepted by all of America not just nut cases in the Democratic Party.


Interesting point, but I've found few who are willing to discuss.

Are the supers supposed to be just a 'rubber stamp' of the primary results?

If the supers are simply supposed to 'mirror' the votes counted in the primary, what useful function do they serve?

I'd have the same question if HillyBilly were currently ahead in the delegate count and were expecting the supers to 'follow the will of the people' , as Obama supporters are currently suggesting.

If the supers have no independent voice, then why are they there?

I don't think the intent of the DNC was to create a 'rubber stamp'.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:37 pm
mysteryman wrote:
engineer wrote:
If anything, I think Obama's team very adroitly deflected Clinton's efforts to get Michigan and Florida back into play. I thought Clinton would be able to force one or both revotes and Obama deflected both. He is certainly ready to play hardball politics if he can hang with and beat the Clintons.


But that may cost him in the general election if he is the nominee.
The repubs will jump all over the fact that Obama wouldnt let the voters in Fl and Mi have a voice in who their candidate is.


If even a small % of Dems in MI and FL sit at home in November, it could cost the Dems the election.

HillyBilly understood this from the beginning.

There is NO way that the National party won't seat the MI and FL delegates.

Hilly sandbagged Obama and the rest of the Dem slate by breaking the pledge that she and all Dems signed, and leaving her name of the MI ballot.

And she immediately started talking about how the votes should count. MI voters won't forget who was more vocal in supporting their state's right to hold it's primary when it wished to.

A revote is not want Hilly wants or needs. She needs to go into the convention standing AGAINST disenfranchisement, so that she can portray Obama as FOR it.

If Obama had agreed to a revote, it would've been disastrous for her. The PR this way is much better and will get her many more votes at the convention when the delegations are seated. And they will be.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:46 pm
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If even a small % of Dems in MI and FL sit at home in November, it could cost the Dems the election.



What can you provide to show this isn't just wishful thinking on the part of the GOP supporters? I'm trying to figure out what numbers you're using to come up with this. The number of voters that have been energized, and have come out for the Dem primaries has been in some cases double that of the Republican primaries.

Also, I can't figure out how you figure it is that Obama is the one who caused Mich. and Fla. not to be counted, when their election committees agreed to that very thing when they accelerated their primaries.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 09:24 pm
And let's not forget the percentage of Republicans who swore they would NEVER vote for McCain. After all, he's a traitor to them on many issues, remember?

Cycloptichorn
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 12:46 am
I suggested to Gore's website after the 2000 that smaller states in four regions should have primaries after Iowa and New Hampshire as these two Liberal states may produce an extreme left-wing candidate for the Democrats unacceptable to the nation in a general election. I also suggested holding bigger states back a bit for if they held their primaries early the kind of candidate may not be representative of the general public and unacceptable.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 05:04 am
snood wrote:
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If even a small % of Dems in MI and FL sit at home in November, it could cost the Dems the election.



What can you provide to show this isn't just wishful thinking on the part of the GOP supporters? I'm trying to figure out what numbers you're using to come up with this. The number of voters that have been energized, and have come out for the Dem primaries has been in some cases double that of the Republican primaries.


Florida was won by a fairly small percentage of the vote in 2000 and in 2004. In each case, Bush won the Presidency by one state.

Doubling the number of Dems in New York or California won't help the Ds win Michigan or Florida.

If Dem voters in those states are angry about their delegation being snubbed, they could stay home.

Thats why the National party will seat the delegates.

snood wrote:
Also, I can't figure out how you figure it is that Obama is the one who caused Mich. and Fla. not to be counted, when their election committees agreed to that very thing when they accelerated their primaries.


Maybe it's because I didn't say that.
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