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Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 12:44 pm
McGentrix wrote:
That's what you were looking for? Confused

Saddam aided and protected terrorists. Of that there is no doubt. You guys at least agree on that, right?

Abu Musab Zarqawi was part of al Qaeda, and he was in Iraq. Not a stretch to say he was not there without Saddam's knowledge.

Can you imagine what 19 hard-core terrorists like the ones on 9/11 had access to the WMD's Saddam was suspected to have had?

I don't see where the lie in that SotU is. I can see where you guys that don't like Bush see it, but it isn't really there.


What part of 'no operational link' do you not understand?

The lie is that Saddam had no intention of doing anything with Al Qaeda, let alone arm them with WMD. There's no evidence that he ever did. That's a lie, to say that we should worry about that. And a fear tactic. And it worked on small minds, as we can see.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 12:55 pm
McGentrix wrote:
That's what you were looking for? Confused

Saddam aided and protected terrorists. Of that there is no doubt. You guys at least agree on that, right?

Abu Musab Zarqawi was part of al Qaeda, and he was in Iraq. Not a stretch to say he was not there without Saddam's knowledge.

Can you imagine what 19 hard-core terrorists like the ones on 9/11 had access to the WMD's Saddam was suspected to have had?

I don't see where the lie in that SotU is. I can see where you guys that don't like Bush see it, but it isn't really there.



The impression all of those statements left, to the more casual observer (i.e. the majority of Americans), was: Saddam was behind 9/11.

Go back and re-read the polls at the time.

The Bush administration not only did nothing to dispel that notion. No. Bush and the administration officials carefully worded their statements, mentioning Saddam, Al Qaeda, WMD and 9/11 in one breath. Just like in the State of the Union address.


If they were technically lying or not isn't really that important. The Bush administration was purposefully misleading America into a war of aggression.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 12:58 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
That's what you were looking for? Confused

Saddam aided and protected terrorists. Of that there is no doubt. You guys at least agree on that, right?

Abu Musab Zarqawi was part of al Qaeda, and he was in Iraq. Not a stretch to say he was not there without Saddam's knowledge.

Can you imagine what 19 hard-core terrorists like the ones on 9/11 had access to the WMD's Saddam was suspected to have had?

I don't see where the lie in that SotU is. I can see where you guys that don't like Bush see it, but it isn't really there.


What part of 'no operational link' do you not understand?

The lie is that Saddam had no intention of doing anything with Al Qaeda, let alone arm them with WMD. There's no evidence that he ever did. That's a lie, to say that we should worry about that. And a fear tactic. And it worked on small minds, as we can see.

Cycloptichorn


You can speak for Saddam's intentions?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:03 pm
Without positive evidence that Saddam was acting in concert with AQ - who hated him, btw, as a Western-supported Secular dictator - there's no reason to make affirmative statements in the way that you do. It is merely done for political game, and as a scare tactic; it is not built upon logical thought or evidence, but in hysterical thought and smears.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:05 pm
old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
That's what you were looking for? Confused

Saddam aided and protected terrorists. Of that there is no doubt. You guys at least agree on that, right?

Abu Musab Zarqawi was part of al Qaeda, and he was in Iraq. Not a stretch to say he was not there without Saddam's knowledge.

Can you imagine what 19 hard-core terrorists like the ones on 9/11 had access to the WMD's Saddam was suspected to have had?

I don't see where the lie in that SotU is. I can see where you guys that don't like Bush see it, but it isn't really there.



The impression all of those statements left, to the more casual observer (i.e. the majority of Americans), was: Saddam was behind 9/11.

Go back and re-read the polls at the time.

The Bush administration not only did nothing to dispel that notion. No. Bush and the administration officials carefully worded their statements, mentioning Saddam, Al Qaeda, WMD and 9/11 in one breath. Just like in the State of the Union address.


If they were technically lying or not isn't really that important. The Bush administration was purposefully misleading America into a war of aggression.


The majority of Americans (as a group) can not be trusted to get to work on time, much less understand American foreign policy.

The AUMF stated the reasons for war. Those that choose to not listen to the talking points and read it know the reasons we went to war.

Quote:
Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility
for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests,
including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are
known to be in Iraq;


That is the only mention of al Qaida in the AUMF. No mention of any ties between Saddam and al Qaida, no mention of any dinner parties between Saddam and Bin laden.

So, polls vs law... which do you choose to believe? I know the answer, it's a rhetorical question.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:06 pm
Let us not forget that the other reasons - WMD - were also false.

Exactly what true reasons are there?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:06 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Without positive evidence that Saddam was acting in concert with AQ - who hated him, btw, as a Western-supported Secular dictator - there's no reason to make affirmative statements in the way that you do. It is merely done for political game, and as a scare tactic; it is not built upon logical thought or evidence, but in hysterical thought and smears.

Cycloptichorn


Hated him? Do you have their diary or are you stating your opinion?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:11 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Without positive evidence that Saddam was acting in concert with AQ - who hated him, btw, as a Western-supported Secular dictator - there's no reason to make affirmative statements in the way that you do. It is merely done for political game, and as a scare tactic; it is not built upon logical thought or evidence, but in hysterical thought and smears.

Cycloptichorn


Hated him? Do you have their diary or are you stating your opinion?


You don't really know very much about Al Qaeda at all, do you?

They hated/hate the Western-supported governments in the Middle East nearly as much as the US and Israel, for various reasons, not the least of which a refusal to follow Sharia law.

Don't bother doing any research or anything, it would just screw up your worldview.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2008 01:12 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Hated him? Do you have their diary or are you stating your opinion?



Yup.

Hamid Mir, bin Laden's Pakistani biographer, wrote:
[Bin Laden] condemned Saddam Hussein in my interview. He gave such kind of abuses that it was very difficult for me to write, [calling Hussein a] socialist ************. [He said], "The land of the Arab world, the land is like a mother, and Saddam Hussein is ******* his mother." He also explained that Saddam Hussein is against us, and he discourages Iraqi boys to come to Afghanistan.



Lots more out there. Really.
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