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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:20 pm
@okie,
Perhaps other people voted your post down for the same reason I did - we are tired of seeing you re-post the same **** over and over again as if it were meaningful. It is not meaningful to repeat information; you're doing the same crap Ican does.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:23 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
If you think Eisenhower's beliefs are crap, you are the one with the problem, not me. If you had one ounce of the moral spine and credibility that Ike had, it might be different. Every decent American should be deeply offended as I am that you would label quotes of Eisenhower as you have.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:28 pm
@okie,
I was very young when Adlai Stevenson ran against Eisenhower for president, and my parents were avid Stevenson supporters. I do remember however that when Eisenhower won, they were not deeply disappointed, only mildly. In my adult years, I have awakened to the fact that Stevenson was a socialist, and that Eisenhower was truly a patriot, a great man, and a great president, one of my favorites, and so I will continue to cite some of his quotes.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:41 pm
Okie, especially this part of Eisenhowere's statement deserves frequent repetition:
Quote:
Republican aims are positive. they have been positive and forward-looking since the party was formed 110 years ago to preserve the Union. Starting with the Civil War and the dedication of Abraham Lincoln to the ideal of national unity, Republican doctrines always have sought to guide our nation away from federal domination on one hand and perilous division on the other. To me the key items of political faith that should always continue to be an inspiring guide to sound political action for any thoughtful citizen are:
1. Abiding faith in the individual. To believe that the essential unit in our democracy is the individual, not any group or class, and that the preservation of our form of government depends in the final analysis on respect o the individual's rights, initiative, judgement and opportunities.
2. Limited powers of government. To believe that the people themselves should retain all powers and responsibilities not specifically delegated to the Government. As Abraham Lincoln defined it, "The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. In all the people can individually do as well for themselves, the government ought not to interfere." (I quote Lincoln not only because h has been the patron saint of the Republican Party from its beginning but also because modern Democrats are trying to steal him from us to capitalize on the reverence in which America holds his name.)
3. Freedom and Equality. Born in the bitter struggle to give flesh-and-blood reality to the American doctrine that all men are created equal and are endowed with certain unalienable rights , the Republican party never has wavered in its belief that freedom and equality are the right of all Americans. It was the Republican Party, led by Lincoln, which freed the Negro from slavery and secured amendments to the Constitution assuring every citizen of his political rights, regardless of race. It was the Republican Party which in 1957 succeeded in getting through Congress the first civil-rights legislation since the Reconstruction era after the Civil War.
4. National Unity. Since its beginnings the Republican Party has stoutly resisted any and all forces which might divide our nation by class, region, racial ancestry or economic interest. we are not for or against any minority of any kind. We are for every individual, whatever his ethnic, social or economic background, who enjoys the priceless privilege of United States citizenship.
5. World Responsibility. The Republican party has aided the United States in meeting its global responsibilities in the spirit of the nation's enlightened self-interest; that is, not on the basis of mere do-goodism, but for the security and welfare of our own country within the family of free nations. "
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:47 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

If you think Eisenhower's beliefs are crap, you are the one with the problem, not me. If you had one ounce of the moral spine and credibility that Ike had, it might be different. Every decent American should be deeply offended as I am that you would label quotes of Eisenhower as you have.


My opinion of what Ike had to say isn't the issue; and I would point out that I didn't criticize it. I merely (accurately) noted that you have reposted the same thing like 10 times now, we've all read it, there's no need to ever post it again. Maybe you could link to it if there was a specific reason to do so.

Please try and stay focused, Okie, instead of getting all pissy like a little baby.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 12:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn, the truth deserves repetition as many times as it takes to get everyone to know the truth.

By the way, if you have actually "voted down" Okie's posts, how come you do not put okie's posts on "ignore" and ignore okie's posts?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 01:01 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn, the truth deserves repetition as many times as it takes to get everyone to know the truth.

By the way, if you have actually "voted down" Okie's posts, how come you do not put okie's posts on "ignore" and ignore okie's posts?


Nothing you guys say 'deserves repetition.' It's just a waste of time. If you want to repeat information, link to your original post instead of clogging up the forums with the same thing over and over again.

I know the Mods agree with me on this, because they have deleted many of your duplicate postings, Ican; so as far as I am concerned it is a settled issue.

I don't ignore anyone; I make decisions on the fly as to whether or not a post has merit.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 03:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn, nothing you say deserves belief!
okie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 06:29 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

My opinion of what Ike had to say isn't the issue; and I would point out that I didn't criticize it. I merely (accurately) noted that you have reposted the same thing like 10 times now, we've all read it, there's no need to ever post it again. Maybe you could link to it if there was a specific reason to do so.

Please try and stay focused, Okie, instead of getting all pissy like a little baby.

Cycloptichorn

I think what Ike had to say is a huge issue to you and all libs, cyclops. One of the primary reasons I started the thread for the sole reason of posting Eisenhower's article titled "Why I am a Republican," was to disprove what some liberals have tried to claim, that Eisenhower was not a conservative. That Eisenhower would actually write the article is probably a huge irritant to you, and it negates your efforts to try to transform who and what Eisenhower was and stood for. That Democrats and liberals have tried to transform Eisenhower is interesting, because it is precisely what Eisenhower accused the Democrats of trying to do with Lincoln, as he expressed in the following quote:

"(I quote Lincoln not only because h has been the patron saint of the Republican Party from its beginning but also because modern Democrats are trying to steal him from us to capitalize on the reverence in which America holds his name.)"

Right here on this forum, I have had to debunk none other than plainoldme's claim that Lincoln was some kind of a liberal, which of course is totally preposterous. And by posting Eisenhower's article, I have totally debunked any liberal or Democrat claim that Eisenhower was not a conservative, and this grates on you guys big time, doesn't it cyclops? As Eisenhower pointed out, Democrats try to capitalize on the reverence held for historical figures, by trying to transform or rewrite what they actually stood for and were like politically. I wonder if they will soon begin to try transforming Reagan into a liberal, after their efforts to demonize the man will all have utterly failed?

It really grates on the Berkeley type liberals that they cannot rewrite all of history. But history can be read by any of us, even an okie. Another example of history being available to any of us is the fact that Hitler was a Leftist, a big Statist, and it is plain as day to anybody that is willing to be honest instead of falling prey to the leftist version of history that they have been at least partially successful in establishing in the educational system already.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:34 pm
@ican711nm,
Well, the truth might deserve repetition but most of what Eisenhower had to say was opinion and, therefore, neither truth nor fiction.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:35 pm
@ican711nm,
If the same advice were given to you, your answer would be, "I can do what I want."
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:36 pm
@ican711nm,
Then, you are accusing him of lying.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 10:37 pm
@okie,
You are in no position to judge Eisenhower's conservatism or lack thereof. Anyone who insists that Hitler was a leftist is not dealing with reality.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jun, 2010 11:20 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I think what Ike had to say is a huge issue to you and all libs, cyclops.


Well, it's not an issue for me. I've never argued that he wasn't a Conservative.

Quote:
And by posting Eisenhower's article, I have totally debunked any liberal or Democrat claim that Eisenhower was not a conservative, and this grates on you guys big time, doesn't it cyclops?


No, it doesn't. I really have no idea why you go on about this so much.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 01:12 pm
Some opinion is truth and some is fiction. That opinion which describes what actually works or happens is truth. That opinion which describes what does not work and/or is only desired but doesn't happen, is fiction.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
And by posting Eisenhower's article, I have totally debunked any liberal or Democrat claim that Eisenhower was not a conservative, and this grates on you guys big time, doesn't it cyclops?


No, it doesn't. I really have no idea why you go on about this so much.

Cycloptichorn

Because some liberals have claimed here that Eisenhower was liberal. And as I have pointed out, pom has claimed Abraham Lincoln was a liberal, which in fact agrees with what Eisenhower said Democrats were claiming in his day.

I am simply pointing out that liberals will attempt to rewrite history to fit their preconceived notions, and as I have pointed out, they have been somewhat successful in regard to Hitler, the Leftist Socialist, by claiming he was a right wing extremist.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:16 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Some opinion is truth and some is fiction. That opinion which describes what actually works or happens is truth. That opinion which describes what does not work and/or is only desired but doesn't happen, is fiction.

I definitely think Eisenhower's opinion is much closer to truth than that of pom's. Her opinions are more like jokes than anything else, but they aren't even funny either, so the jokes are failures as well.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:18 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I am simply pointing out that liberals will attempt to rewrite history to fit their preconceived notions, and as I have pointed out, they have been somewhat successful in regard to Hitler, the Leftist Socialist, by claiming he was a right wing extremist.


I guess it's worth pointing out here that the vast body of historical literature, in many cases provided by people who have worked on it for decades, points to Hilter as a right-wing authoritarian. It is you who is attempting to re-write history in this case; yet you seem to think that this is perfectly acceptable, whereas others' attempts to show characteristics of historical figures are scurrilous. How do you account for this discrepancy?

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:20 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

You are in no position to judge Eisenhower's conservatism or lack thereof. Anyone who insists that Hitler was a leftist is not dealing with reality.

You apparently have no concept of reality, pom, you are so far into liberal whackoism, as to render your posts a total waste of time here. And if you could read anything with comprehension, it would not take anyone like me to interpret what Eisenhower said, he wrote in plain English that he was conservative and why he was a Republican. But you need to know how to read and comprehend, pom, that could be one of your problems of many.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:23 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
And just where is that "vast" body of literature that proves all of that, cyclops? In what was East Germany? Or Berkeley? I think your vast body of literature is nothing more than a vast body of baloney. Anybody with an ounce of honesty and common sense can read history and know better.
 

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