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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 04:57 pm
@ican711nm,
Seeing as every single admin that we've had over the last 70 years has taken tax monies and given them to people who you claim is 'theft' to do so, are you accusing them ALL of being 'gangster governments?'

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Tell you what! Let's lawfully remove the Odem gangsters ASAP--impeach and remove-- without waiting for them to be voted out of office.


What are you waiting for? Get right on it and let me know how well that works out for you, Mkay?

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 05:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Tthe "October Surprise" was a charge leveled at then VP candidate George Bush.
The dems claimed that he flew aboard an SR-71 Blackbird to Iran to convince the Iranian govt to hold the American hostages till after the Presidential Election of 1980.

There was no evidence, the USAF could accout for all of their aircraft, and it was shown to be a total fabrication on the part of the dems.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 05:04 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Tthe "October Surprise" was a charge leveled at then VP candidate George Bush.
The dems claimed that he flew aboard an SR-71 Blackbird to Iran to convince the Iranian govt to hold the American hostages till after the Presidential Election of 1980.

There was no evidence, the USAF could accout for all of their aircraft, and it was shown to be a total fabrication on the part of the dems.


Thanks, I'll look into that more.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 05:09 pm
@ican711nm,
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I did in fact accuse Bush of violating the Constitution when he signed the bill for TARP and for the GM bailout

Really? It looks to me like you just accused Obama of it for the programs that Bush did.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 05:09 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
What a crock of Demshit!

Iran does not now have what is needed for an SR-71 to land re-fuel and take-off again and they didn't have it in the 80's.
The SR-71 is an ultra high maintenance super plane that needs extra special care and attention.

The plane may have flown over the country at Mach speed, but it did not land there.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 05:10 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Taking the money that people earn--whether it be by taxes or some other method--in violation of the law (e.g., in violation of the Constitution of the USA) and giving it to people who did not earn it, is theft!

Taking money... by taxes... in violation of the law...

Taxes are legal, ican. Legal. The constitution specifically grants this power.

I don't expect you to know this because you're obviously no constitutional scholar. I expect you to know this, because it's been pointed out to you numerous times.

The depth of denial you'll submerge yourself to is truly sad.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Seeing as every single admin that we've had over the last 70 years has taken tax monies and given them to people who you claim is 'theft' to do so, are you accusing them ALL of being 'gangster governments?'

What are you waiting for? Get right on it and let me know how well that works out for you, Mkay?

Actually, almost every single administration that we've had over the last 97 years "has taken tax monies and given them to people who [ I ] claim is 'theft' to do so."

Yes, I accuse almost all of them of being gangster governments. Some were far worse than the others (e.g., Wilson, Roosevelt, Obama). Obama is a far worse gangster than all the rest put together (e.g., Odem health care, Odem federal debt increases).

I'm waiting, no I'm working to convince you and all the rest of you, who currently support the Odems, that the Odems are worse gangsters than any of their predecessors in threatening to steal our Liberty, our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy..
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:25 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
I'm waiting, no I'm working to convince you and all the rest of you, who currently support the Odems, that the Odems are worse gangsters than any of their predecessors in threatening to steal our Liberty, our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy.

You need facts that support your case to do this. This is exactly why you've proven completely politically impotent thus far at your stated goal.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:32 pm
@Diest TKO,
Not all taxes are legal! It is illegal to use tax revenue to transfer wealth.

Why? Because using tax revenue for transferring wealth is illegal!

I know it is illegal because the Constitution of the USA does not grant that power to any branch or combination of branches of the federal government. Since the Constitution does not grant the federal government that power, when the federal government exercises that power it is acting illegally--it is acting like a gangster.

Read and study the 10th Amendment until you understand that a power the Constitution does not grant the federal government is not a power the federal government can lawfully and legally exercise.

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:39 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:
you've proven completely politically impotent thus far at your stated goal.

FALSE!
Those people I have thus far convinced to join the TEA Party will adamantly disagree with your claim that I have "proven completely politically impotent thus far at [my] stated goal."

More, much more, to come!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:44 pm
@ican711nm,
How do you square your position with the myraid SC cases which have specifically decided you are wrong? Or do you just ignore those?

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:45 pm
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19264&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
FOUR MILLION U.S. RESIDENTS COULD PAY COVERAGE PENALTIES IN 2016

About four million U.S. residents will be subject to fines averaging $1,000 per person for failing to obtain health insurance once the new health reform law is fully in effect in 2016, according to a Congressional Budget Office report released on Thursday.

Penalties for failing to abide by the law's individual mandate will begin in 2014 but will not be fully phased in until 2016:
• At that point, U.S. residents who have not purchased coverage will be fined $695 or 2.5 percent of their household income, whichever is greater.
• After 2016, the fines will increase according to annual cost-of-living adjustments.
• U.S. residents will be exempt from the penalty if the most inexpensive plan costs more than 8 percent of that individual's income.

Most of the 21 million U.S. residents who are expected to lack coverage in 2016 will be exempt from the penalties because of low income or undocumented immigrant status, or because they have received hardship or religious waivers, according to the report. The majority of those paying the fines will be middle-income U.S. residents, the report estimates:
• About three million people who will pay the fines will have annual incomes below $59,000 for individuals or $120,000 for families of four.
• The remaining people facing the fines will have higher incomes.
• The government could collect about $4 billion annually in penalties between 2017 and 2019.

Republicans criticized the penalties, noting that President Obama had promised not to raise taxes on individuals whose annual incomes are below $200,000 and families whose annual incomes are below $250,000.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:49 pm
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19268&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
PENSION BOMB TICKS LOUDER

The time bomb that is public-pension obligations keeps ticking louder and louder. Eventually someone will have to notice, says the Wall Street Journal.
This month, Stanford's Institute for Economic Policy Research released a study suggesting a more than $500 billion unfunded liability for California's three biggest pension funds -- the California Public Employees' Retirement System (CalPERS); the California State Teachers' Retirement System (CalSTRS); and the University of California Retirement System (UCRS). The shortfall is about six times the size of this year's California state budget and seven times more than the outstanding voter-approved general obligations bonds.

The pension funds responsible for the time bombs denounced the report and accused the study of being fundamentally flawed because it uses a controversial method that is out of step with governmental accounting standards. Those standards bear some scrutiny, says the Journal:
• The Stanford study uses what's called a "risk-free" 4.14 percent discount rate, which is tied to 10-year Treasury bonds.
• The Government Accounting Standards Board requires corporate pensions to use a risk-free rate, but it allows public pension funds to discount pension liabilities at their expected rate of return, which the pension funds determine.
• CalSTRS assumes a rate of return of 8 percent, CalPERS 7.75 percent and the UC fund 7.5 percent.
• But the CEO of the global investment management firm BlackRock Inc., Laurence Fink, says CalPERS would be lucky to earn 6 percent on its portfolio; a 5 percent return is more realistic, says the Journal.

Under California law, public pensions are a vested, contractual right. What this means is that taxpayers are on the hook if the economy falters or the pension portfolios don't perform as well as expected. The Governor's office projects that, absent reform, this figure will balloon to over $15 billion in the next 10 years.

What to do? The Stanford study suggests that at the least the state needs to contribute to pensions at a steadier rate and not shortchange the funds when markets are booming. It also recommends shifting investments to more fixed-income assets to reduce risks.

Source: Editorial, "Pension Bomb Ticks Louder," Wall Street Journal, April 27, 2010.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:52 pm
@ican711nm,
Why aren't those people getting health insurance?

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 07:04 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
you've proven completely politically impotent thus far at your stated goal.

FALSE!
Those people I have thus far convinced to join the TEA Party will adamantly disagree with your claim that I have "proven completely politically impotent thus far at [my] stated goal."

More, much more, to come!

If what you've said here so far is what has convinced these people to join the Tea Party, then it is not a very flattering piece of commentary on the Tea Party's knowledge base, but perhaps a sad piece of commentary on what appeals to the Tea Party: Their own set of facts, far divorced from reality, and well tailored to raise emotions and install a phony sense of revolutionary pride.



Meanwhile, still no theft.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 11:26 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn, the Supreme Court has made many invalid decisions based on the false notion that the Constitution can be lawfully amended by Supreme Court decisions. Article V of the Constitution specifies the only legal way to amend the Constitution. Therefore, when the Supreme Court amends the Constitution, such amendments are a corruption of the Constitution. All those current justices who vote for or have voted for such amendments are violators of their oaths specified in Article VI of the Constitution, and are no longer valid members of the Supreme Court.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 11:29 am
@ican711nm,
So, your worldview basically revolves around pretending that our country doesn't work the way that it does in fact work and pretending that the SC decisions simply don't matter, because you don't consider them valid.

Ican, I think you are profoundly disturbed. You are out of step with the reality of our nation. Don't you realize this is true?

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 11:38 am
@Diest TKO,
Members of the TEA Party are unanimous about working to rescue our Liberty, our Constitutional Republic, and our Capitalist Economy from their corruption by the Odem (i.e., by the Obamademocrats).

I am responsible for convincing only a small number of the millions of members of the TEA Party to join the TEA Party. Almost all the current members (including me) have spontaneously convinced themselves to join the TEA Party and work to rescue their Liberty, their Constitutional Republic, and their Capitalist Economy from corruption by the Odem .
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 11:56 am
My gross income is less than $60,000 per year. In 2011, the Odem theft of my income will commence when its taxes of my income will be increased more than 50%.

The Odem could have easily prevented their theft of part of all our incomes by renewing the Bush 2010 tax rates. In fact, the Odem could really be fair and pass a uniform flat tax on all gross income and eliminate all other current forms of federal taxes on incomes. Additionally, the Odem could cease spending any TARP or Stimulus funds, and instead use returned TARP and Stimulus funds to reduce their trillions of dollars of federal debt.

But, of course, the Odem will not cease their thieving gangsterism until they are removed from office.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 12:04 pm
@ican711nm,
Perhaps Bush should have passed PERMANENT tax cuts if they expected the low rates to be permanent, don't you agree? You can't blame the fact that they didn't do so on Obama.

BTW, how do you figure your taxes are going up by 50%?

Cycloptichorn
 

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