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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 02:15 am
@djjd62,
If we look at a survey which measures the average distribution of SAT-Math scores by race, djjd62, we will find that the average black score is close to 290 and the average white score is 500. Now, of course, these scores most probably stem from black lack of access to good education, but it does show that illiteracy of blacks as a group is probably higher than illiteracy of whites as a group.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:03 am
@MASSAGAT,
The Math scores show illiteracy?

hmm.. I always thought the Math scores showed ability with math. You teach us so much Possum.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 09:04 am
@parados,
I think it would be a reasonable theory for there to be a pretty solid correlation between illiteracy and math proficiency. Not perfect 1 to 1, but definitely correlative. In other words, if you cannot read with comprehension, you probably cannot do math well, and if you cannot add or subtract, you may also have trouble reading with comprehension.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 09:29 am
@okie,
I think the point of what might be broached here is that some blacks think that excelling in the classroom is being too "white." Remember the trouble Bill Cosby has gotten into over this? And other blacks have gotten in trouble for making similar suggestions as well, especially conservatives. Unfortunately, some black leaders have this mistaken belief that they are supposed to be inferior, after all the Democrats preach this all the time, that they need extra help, extra programs, extra considerations, and they want their voters to stay on their Democratic Party / Government programs plantation, of course in exchange for their votes. Just bring us your votes and we will feed you, that is the message.

Therefore, I hold the highest esteem for black conservatives that are speaking out, admirable people like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and the many many others that are standing up to the ultra socialist and liberal black groups in this country. Black conservatives must have more character and courage of conviction than anyone that is white to do the same, because groups from their own ethnicity will try to rip them apart and destroy them. After all, race baiting pays big money for those that are engaged in it, people like Jesse Jackson, and he is an example of somebody that does not wish to give up his livlihood, making money from hatred and prejudice.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 09:49 am
@okie,
Quote:
I think it would be a reasonable theory for there to be a pretty solid correlation between illiteracy and math proficiency.

I wonder how well this guy can read and write English.
Russian refuses $1 million prize

In other words, just making something up doesn't make it true okie. Math skills have very little to do with reading or writing in a specific language.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 11:18 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I think the point of what might be broached here is that some blacks think that excelling in the classroom is being too "white." Remember the trouble Bill Cosby has gotten into over this? And other blacks have gotten in trouble for making similar suggestions as well, especially conservatives. Unfortunately, some black leaders have this mistaken belief that they are supposed to be inferior, after all the Democrats preach this all the time, that they need extra help, extra programs, extra considerations, and they want their voters to stay on their Democratic Party / Government programs plantation, of course in exchange for their votes. Just bring us your votes and we will feed you, that is the message.

You are such a nice white person Okie. You seem to be able to read all of our dirty liberal plots, and you're so kind as to spell it out for all the precious blacks. Why? Because, bless their heart, they aren't as smart or as perspective as you. I mean, if they were, they'd be able to see this for themselves. You're a saint for guiding these people to freedom. If only more good white people like yourself would help poor black people understand what they actually want and need (because you know that they don't know).

okie wrote:

Therefore, I hold the highest esteem for black conservatives that are speaking out, admirable people like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and the many many others that are standing up to the ultra socialist and liberal black groups in this country. Black conservatives must have more character and courage of conviction than anyone that is white to do the same, because groups from their own ethnicity will try to rip them apart and destroy them. After all, race baiting pays big money for those that are engaged in it, people like Jesse Jackson, and he is an example of somebody that does not wish to give up his livlihood, making money from hatred and prejudice.

You have respect for black conservatives? Wow, you must have loads of respect for white mid-western liberal Christians by the same logic.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 12:19 pm
Quote:
Obama takes care in sizing up 'tea party' movement

Mar 30, 7:11 PM (ET)

By JENNIFER LOVEN

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama stepped carefully when talking for the first time about the conservative tea party movement, acknowledging it has legitimate concerns about federal reach and spending, but he contended the core of the loose anti-government network is "on the fringe."

The latest political phenomenon, barely a year old, has leaders on both sides of the political spectrum puzzled.

Republicans want to co-opt the passion - and votes - of tea party disciples to help them oust Democrats from congressional control in the fall midterm elections, without losing other voters in the process. As for Democrats, they have focused mainly on trying to marginalize and ignore them. For instance, several Democratic officials say there's no apparent strategy yet at the White House for combatting the network's growing influence.

But the leaderless coalition, born in communities from coast to coast shortly after Obama's inauguration last year, seems to have some staying power.

A Washington Post poll taken last week showed that more people view the movement favorably than unfavorably - and that 62 percent believe it has either the right amount or not enough influence on the Republican Party.

The group is decidedly conservative and libertarian, but otherwise diverse, divided over most everything except the need for limited government, less spending and an end to Obama's policies. Those in the coalition have allegiance to no political party, with independent voters and even moderate Democrats among their ranks.

All that was reflected in Obama's cautious handling of the topic, when asked about it Monday by a television interviewer.

The president said on NBC's "Today" show that the movement is built around a "core group" of people who question whether he is a U.S. citizen and believe he is a socialist. Beyond that, however, he said he recognizes that the movement involves people with "mainstream, legitimate concerns" about the national debt, government expansion and big spending.

"I wouldn't paint in broad brush and say that everybody who is involved or have gone to a tea party rally or meeting are somehow on the fringe," Obama said. "I think that there's a broader circle around that core group of people who are legitimately concerned about the deficit, who are legitimately concerned that the federal government may be taking on too much."
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He said he hopes that as "we're tackling things like the deficit, imposing a freeze on domestic spending, taking steps that show we are sincere about dealing with our long-term problems, that some of that group will dissipate."

Obama has talked a lot recently about anger in the electorate, particularly in the wake of the surprise victory in Massachusetts by Republican Scott Brown for a Senate seat. But it was the first time he had talked specifically about the group.

Some Democrats close to the White House think it may be a good thing for Obama and his team to mostly keep their distance. Engaging tea party activists too directly or aggressively could backfire by energizing them even more, many think.

The administration knows the tea party movement could help Republicans in the short-term by increasing the intensity of their voters. But the White House also is betting the activists' influence could also be harmful, by yanking GOP candidates to the right - and farther away from the middle-of-the-spectrum voters who can decide elections, according to one official close to the president. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal administration thinking.

Associated Press writers Ben Feller and Liz Sidoti contributed to this report.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20100331/D9EP96CO1.html
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 07:01 pm
@okie,
No, the processing in each case is carried on by different parts of the brain.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:07 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Quote:
I think it would be a reasonable theory for there to be a pretty solid correlation between illiteracy and math proficiency.

I wonder how well this guy can read and write English.

The man probably reads Russian pretty well, you dolt. You are comparing apples and oranges, true to your lawyerly equivocating.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:10 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:
You are such a nice white person Okie. You seem to be able to read all of our dirty liberal plots, and you're so kind as to spell it out for all the precious blacks. Why? Because, bless their heart, they aren't as smart or as perspective as you. I mean, if they were, they'd be able to see this for themselves. You're a saint for guiding these people to freedom. If only more good white people like yourself would help poor black people understand what they actually want and need (because you know that they don't know).
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Demagogue and a mental midget you are, TKO.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 08:13 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

No, the processing in each case is carried on by different parts of the brain.

If I cared enough to prove a point that is likely true, I could very likely dig up the evidence of the correlation between proficiency in simple math skills and reading proficiency by students, but ho hum, why waste time proving the obvious to the clueless? Then again, if you can prove the opposite with statistics or evidence, be my guest, pom.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 09:14 pm
@okie,
Here's proof that children often insult when they haven't a clue.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2010 10:55 pm
@okie,
Quote:
If I cared enough to prove a point that is likely true, I could very likely dig up the evidence of the correlation between proficiency in simple math skills and reading proficiency by students, but ho hum, why waste time proving the obvious to the clueless?

I think we can safely say your lack of evidence correlates quite nicely with your lack of thinking.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:45 am
@parados,
SAT-/Math scores includes reading, parados. But you don't know that because you never took or passed an SAT test. If you were not so ignorant, you would know that Black and Hispanic SAT scores do not match white SAT scores.




The differences in total SAT scores by ethnicity was most extreme between Asian students (who had an average total score of 1623 out of a possible 2400) and black students (who averaged 1276, a four-point drop). Puerto Rican students averaged 1345. The national average was 1509. Top score is 800 in each of the three SAT sections.

Total scores also dropped two points for white students (who averaged 1581) and Mexican and Mexican American students (who averaged 1362). They increased two points for American Indian or Alaskan natives (average score 1448).
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Of course, there is a case to be made that black students don't have schooling or teachers that are as good as white students have(One problem with this point is that a very famous US government survey done some years ago showed little difference between the teachers, curriculum and physical plant in schools which served white students primarily and the teachers, curriculum and physical plants in schools which served black students on the whole.

One of the most mystifying problems involves one of the minority groups- the Asians- of course, this includes not only Japanese and Chinese students but also Cambodians, and Vietnamese who have arrived here only recently.

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It is beyond question that, for whatever reason, blacks and Hispanics( many of whom come from non-English speaking backgrounds), are a very large cohort of the voters who pulled the lever for Obama. Many of the newly arriveedHispanics were gulled into the belief that Obama would solve the immigration problem for them. Most people in the US, especially the knee-jerk Liberals do not know the following about the Hispanics who have been here for more than three generations---l. Half of them are married to non-Hispanics

2, The Hispanic section on the census DOES
NOT refer to a race. HISPANICS, depending
on their origin and proclivities, can be listed as
Caucasians or blacks.

You really should do some reading, Parados. Percentage wise, it is clear, that there are more illiterates among Blacks and Hispanics than among whites.
Of course, as Al Sharpton says, that is because racism is endemic in the USA.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:55 am
Okie wrote:


I think the point of what might be broached here is that some blacks think that excelling in the classroom is being too "white."

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There are "tons" of documentation on this point, Okie. One of the best movies I ever say was the flick called--"Finding Forrester" about a brilliant black student who was able to escape the ghetto because of a high score on his tests while in the inner city. It was clear that he had to keep his reading and writing skills( which were very high) a secret from his friends because all they wanted to do was to play basketball.

Any teacher in an inner city school in almost any large city in the USA can tell you that the prevailing ethos among black males( black females are not as strongly affected, for some reason) is s Cosby has pointed out--Studying and Learning and Reading and Homework--are for fools. Why do you want to act White? is a frequent query by black males to their friends in High School.

The paucity of Black Males among the key jobs in the USA-Lawyers, Doctors, CEO's, Accountants, Physicists, Chemists, is, I am convinced, for the same reason why there are so few whites in Professional Basketball. The Whites do not have the skills since they practice much much less than blacks do. But make no mistake, Okie, Blacks make the NBA based on skill, hard work, tenacity and drive whereas Whites crowd the fields above which have very few blacks because of racism.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 05:49 am
@plainoldme,
pom, it is a simple matter of common sense, if you cannot read a problem with comprehension, you will not be able to compute the math to derive an answer. Even looking at a non-essay problem requires one to be able to read the numbers, including the logic of an equation, such as what does a plus sign mean, or what does a parenthesis denote in an algabraic equation? If you would do some searches, you will find considerable mention of math scores correlating with reading skills. I don't have time now to do all the research and provide links for you.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 06:10 am
@okie,
That's alright. I know more than you do.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 07:10 am
@okie,
Can you tell me which language this is in okie?

4+18 = ?

plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 08:04 am
@parados,
I don't know about you, but I am so tired of racists. I am also tired of crack pot explanations for knowledge theory, language acquisition and measuring success in the classroom.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 11:52 am
@plainoldme,
Since when did pointing out the truth become racist?
Even you cannot deny the fact that blacks do score lower, on average, then any other group with the SAT's.
 

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