AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Your'e probably right. I was just looking for a friendly dig.

TKO should lighten up.

I'm going for a jog. I'll go hug a tree.

T
K
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http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/207/a/a/Tree_Hugger_Emoticon_01_by_phantompanther.gif

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@georgeob1,

Quote:

TKO should lighten up.

Don't hold your breath.

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@Setanta,

Well, you never can tell. That might have even been a bit of lighthearted irony from Debra law above. If she can do it there might be some hope for him.

Hell, you and I even did it !

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Hell, you and I even did it !

You promised you wouldn't tell. You said it would be our little secret.

You snake . . . you cad . . . don't talk to me . . .

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@georgeob1,

Addressing Setanta with lighthearted camaraderie, georgeob1 wrote:

Hell, you and I even did it !

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/hug/hug-2.gif

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@Debra Law,

Goddamn ! She did it !!! Very Happy

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@georgeob1,

Is it already Christmas?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Well, fair enough.

Without having to provide any additional evidence, will you simply state for the record that you claim that the points raised are in fact true, and not just opinions? After you say yes, I'll be happy to begin doing the research to back up my points about lies in your blog post.

I've changed my mind. I initially claimed those 12 points were valid. I am now opining those 12 points are valid. I infer from your post that you are currently also opining those 12 points are invalid.

What do you plan to do next regarding those 12 points?

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Well, fair enough.

Without having to provide any additional evidence, will you simply state for the record that you claim that the points raised are in fact true, and not just opinions? After you say yes, I'll be happy to begin doing the research to back up my points about lies in your blog post.

I've changed my mind. I initially claimed those 12 points were valid. I am now opining those 12 points are valid. I infer from your post that you are currently also opining those 12 points are invalid.

What do you plan to do next regarding those 12 points?

Nothing at all. I have no interest in countering your opinions, because they are relatively worthless; nobody cares what your opinions are. I am only interested in countering your claims.

This way, you will be unable to weasel out of offering counter-arguments by merely stating that they were 'only your opinions.' Which is exactly what you intended to do.

Joe has you dead to rights on this one - you seek to force others to back up their words with evidence, but you refuse to do so towards your own words, all while claiming that the other side is 'incompetent.' This is the height of arrogance and idiocy, all mixed into one package.

Why don't you just re-post the same trash a few more times and tell yourself that you are winning the argument? You'll be happier that way.

Cycloptichorn

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Is it already Christmas?

Just a lighthearted interlude Walter. That's important for all of us, .... even SPD guys !

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I have no interest in countering your opinions, because they are relatively worthless; nobody cares what your opinions are. I am only interested in countering your claims.

If you were to do what you said in a previous post you will do, I will then do what I said in a previous post I will do. I will do the work of responding--with additional evidence I opine is valid--to whatever you claim and whatever evidence you provide supporting whatever you claim that is in your opinion valid evidence, or you claim is valid evidence.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

Oh, I see: so if I say that, in my opinion, ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, and you claim that you are not a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, then it's up to you to come up with evidence to prove that I'm wrong?

Correct!

However, if you were to opine ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, and I were to opine I am not a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, then it's not up to either of us to come up with evidence to prove that either of us is right or wrong.

However, if you were to claim ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, and I were to opine I am not a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, then it's up to you to come up with evidence to prove that I'm wrong.

However, if you were to claim ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, and I were to claim I am not a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys, then it's up to both of us to come with evidence to prove that the other is wrong.

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The Obama Administration is incompetent and must be replaced.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
TOTAL USA EMPLOYMENT

....Total USA Employed.....Change
Carter
1980.. 99,302,000------------------
Reagan
1984 105,005,000....+ 5,703,000
Reagan
1988 114,968,000....+ 9,963,000
Bush I
1992 118,492,000....+ 3,524,000
Clinton
1996 126,708,000....+ 8,216,000
Clinton
2000 136,891,000....+ 10,183,000
Bush II
2004 139,252,000....+ 2,361,000
Bush II
2008 145,362,000....+ 6,110,000
Obama
2009 139,649,000....- 5,713,000 (as of August 31, 2009)

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
TOTAL USA GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT

Year..…….GDP ($billions)….Change
Carter
1980…….. 2,789.5………………………………
Regan
1984…….. 3,933.2…….…………. + 1,143.7
Reagan
1988…….. 5,103.8…….……….…. + 1,170.6
Bush 41
1992…….. 6,337.7…….………….. + 1,233.9
Clinton
1996……. 7,816.9…….………….. + 1,479.2
Clinton
2000…….. 9,817.0…….………….. + 2,000.1
Bush 43
2004…,, 11,685.9…….………….. + 1,868.9
Bush 43
2008….. 14,208.7…….………….. + 2,522.8
Obama
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/02/18/afx6067181.html
2009…… 14,109.2…….………….. " 99.5 (-0.7% as of August 31, 2009)

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@ican711nm,

Sorry, but I'm uninterested in your opinions; I am only interested in those items you claim to be true, and are willing to provide information to show that they are in fact true.

You're a little bit of a nutjob, Ican, and it's a waste of my time to go around the bend with you on an issue unless you agree to ground-rules which hold you responsible to the truth.

Your backing off of claiming that things are in fact true, to the lesser status of opining that they are true, causes me to lose interest in this discussion. It is the same as you stating that you will not actually be defending what you say, and that it's a waste of my time to go further.

Cycloptichorn

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

I went for my jog. Found a tree I liked. Hugged it. I was disappointed. It was rough and smelled bad. Screw this liberal stuff.

Nuke a godless communist gay baby seal for Christ.

T
K
Ob, you should learn when I'm joking, Howdy.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Sorry, but I'm uninterested in your opinions; I am only interested in those items you claim to be true, and are willing to provide information to show that they are in fact true.

You're a little bit of a nutjob, Ican, and it's a waste of my time to go around the bend with you on an issue unless you agree to ground-rules which hold you responsible to the truth.

Your backing off of claiming that things are in fact true, to the lesser status of opining that they are true, causes me to lose interest in this discussion. It is the same as you stating that you will not actually be defending what you say, and that it's a waste of my time to go further.

If you were to do what you said in a previous post you will do, I will then do what I said in a previous post I will do. I will do the work of responding--with additional evidence I opine is valid--to whatever you claim and whatever evidence you provide supporting whatever you claim that is in your opinion valid evidence, or you claim is valid evidence.

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@ican711nm,

I am only interested in that which you claim is valid, not that which you opine is valid. Your promise to provide more information that you opine is true is meaningless - you've already done this.

As you are the one who insists on such a stark distinction between the two, I'm sure you understand my insistence on this matter.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclo, this is easily dealt with.

Just establish a new policy with ican. Next time he post some crazy bullshit, just remember that it's his opinion and nothing else. An opinion is meaningless here, everyone has them. Just engage with those willing to ante up, since ican wont.

The sad truth is that ican wants his opinion to count for much more. More, like for example, the level of a argument with facts. His arguments fall on their face, and so he's doing nothing new here by having some meta-discussion on terms here. He's only embarrassing himself.

T
K
O

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

The sad truth is that ican wants his opinion to count for much more. More, like for example, the level of a argument with facts. His arguments fall on their face, and so he's doing nothing new here by having some meta-discussion on terms here. He's only embarrassing himself.

T
K
O

Oh, I know; but I can't resist helping him out with that Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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