AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Parados, I do not "argue money is 'security'".

I argue, PRINTED MONEY are one kind of SECURITIES.

I do not remember posting that 'only things that are EXPRESSLY in the constitution are constitutional." I remember posting that if a power is not delegated by the Constitution to the feds, then the feds do not have that power.

Excluding the many kids they bring along with them to their town hall or tea party meetings, I judge the typical ages of the attendees I've actually seen up close are between 35 and 55.

Their typical cause for alarm is that they have an intense distrust of Barack Obama. Some distrust him because of his flip floping on health care. Some distrust him because they resent his efforts to control their health care choices. Some distrust him because of his giveaways of their tax money. Some distrust him because of his huge current and projected deficits. Some distrust him because of the high current and projected unemployment figures. Some distrust him because he has slandered them. Some distrust him because they think he wants to abandon our constitutional government to a far greater extent than any of his predecessors. Most distrust him because of a combination of these things.

A great many distrust other leadership of the Democrat Party for the same reasons.

Do Securities have value?
Can Securities be traded for other items of value?

If printed money are one kind of securities doesn't that mean they have value and can be traded for other items of value?

OK.. so where are the Feds given power to print money?
Where are the Feds given power to loan money?

Article I.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

I think that what you have listed here, are not reasons why people distrust Obama, as much as they are people's attempt to explain why they distrust Obama. I'm quite sure that a lot of the people in question are getting marching orders on this issue - straight from their gut. They then ask their mouths to justify their feelings.

And you left out the fact that a fair amount of them are thoroughly disgusted with the current crop of Republicans now in Congress and some of those guys, if they don't clean up their act and get in tune with their constituency, could pay a heavy price in the primaries next year.

Which constituency? The moderate Republican, or the Conservative one?

I do not know where in the Constitution the feds are granted power by the Constitution implicitly or explicitly to loan money to anyone other than current or retired employees, federal departments, or government contractors.

Yes securities can be traded for other items of value.
Yes, printed money can be traded for other items of value.

I don't like paper money that is not convertible to something of value equivalent to the value of what the paper money is alleged to be.

Where is the Federal government given the power to loan money to current employees? let alone former or retired employees?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article I.Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;[/u]
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

A dollar bill--or a multidollar bill--is PRINTED MONEY. From the following definitions, a dollar bill--or a multidollar bill--is PRINTED MONEY and is one kind of note and therefore is one kind of security.