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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 08:55 am
@FreeDuck,
It means something if he is gaining ratings for the network which continues to gain advertisers though. The advertisers don't have to air on his program. While some do ask for a very specific time slot (which can be very expensive), most advertisers don't sign up to air on a specific program but sign up to air within a range of a certain time period. The station or network then assigns them in various available slots which usually is sometime within the range of two to six hours.

What is happening with Beck is that Colorofchange is being effective intimidating advertisers but most are pulling their advertising from ALL poltiical advertising. So if they are hurting Beck, whose ratings are making him quite popular at Fox News, they are also hurting the less popular (and more mean spirited) talk shows on other networks, and obviously those who had pitiful ratings to begin with are steadily losing viewers even as Beck's ratings are rising.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:09 am
Finally, somebody explains ican's position in a comprehensible fashion:

Quote:
Tentherism, in a nutshell, proclaims that New Deal-era reformers led an unlawful coup against the "True Constitution," exploiting Depression-born desperation to expand the federal government's powers beyond recognition. Under the tenther constitution, Barack Obama's health-care reform is forbidden, as is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The federal minimum wage is a crime against state sovereignty; the federal ban on workplace discrimination and whites-only lunch counters is an unlawful encroachment on local businesses.

Tenthers divine all this from the brief language of the 10th Amendment, which provides that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In layman's terms, this simply means that the Constitution contains an itemized list of federal powers -- such as the power to regulate interstate commerce or establish post offices or make war on foreign nations -- and anything not contained in that list is beyond Congress' authority.


More here...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:10 am
From my morning email.

No way to verify this though I check in with a 'fact check' group who evaluates emails like this and will probably be able to verify it as authentic or not soon. It does have a ring of truth to it however and I'm going to go ahead and post it as there is no way the White House Press Corp will put out anything of this nature no matter how true.

Here is the Bozeman announcement of the event however:
http://www.newwest.net/city/article/obamas_montana_town_hall_set_for_bozeman_airport_public_invited/C396/L396/

The E-mail:

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Hello All,

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Joe and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on.

On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date.

On about Tuesday Joe found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Joe knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public. FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$ During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday.

Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED. This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

On Friday Joe and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd. The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

If you are wondering about the press.....Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds. We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes........the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Joe and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary!!
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:12 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
From my morning email...

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:26 am
@Diest TKO,
Luckily Snopes.com fact-checked this e-mail:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/montana.asp
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:44 am
@wandeljw,
I thought it might be too early for Snopes to have picked up on this so didn't even check there. So thanks Wandel.

But who 'fact checks' Barbara Mikkelson?

I expect layman grass roots eye witness accounts to get various names and numbers wrong. For years I sat in on depositions, hearings, and mediations, and took recorded statements from witnesses, and read hundreds of police reports and there will almost always be sometimes even broad variances in the fine detail in the telling even when people are trying their very best to get it right.

How many times have we watched live telecasts of some major tragic event or election night coverage with information being reported as it comes in and then is corrected when this or that information is learned to be false.

And maybe you're too young to remember a parlor game in which one person whispers a statement to another who whispers it to another until it makes its way all around the room. The last person states it out loud and it is sometimes laughably different than the original statement.

It is also understandable that eye witness accounts might be quite different from what is reported in the newspaper or radio or evening news. I can testify to that from political events I have attended and experienced or watched on an unfiltered source like Cspan versus what was reported in the media. Sometimes I wondered if the reporter and I were actually at or watching the same event.

All this is to say that the fine detail almost certainly has been skewed in the telling and retelling of this particular email and some of the facts may in fact be based on rumor without foundation. But the fact that Snopes did not dismiss it outright as 'false' suggests that my original perception that it had a 'ring of truth' was probably right.


Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:54 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
But the fact that Snopes did not dismiss it outright as 'false' suggests that my original perception that it had a 'ring of truth' was probably right.

No.

What ring of truth remained after free lobster (false), no media coverage (false), the majority of tickets being given to Obama supporters (false)? It seems that the only truth is that one guy got arrested but otherwise people carried on in a civil manner. If that's the ring of truth, it's coming with a lot of non-truth baggage.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:00 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

All this is to say that the fine detail almost certainly has been skewed in the telling and retelling of this particular email and some of the facts may in fact be based on rumor without foundation. But the fact that Snopes did not dismiss it outright as 'false' suggests that my original perception that it had a 'ring of truth' was probably right.

Most rumors, lies and distortions do. That's how people believe them.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:10 am
@FreeDuck,
Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:14 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.


Only the important parts. Obama DID have a rally and some of the tickets WERE handed out to preferred folks. The rest of it was bunk.

I also wonder if the person who wrote this email ever signed a 'loyalty oath,' as the last President used to require of his town hall attendees.

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:20 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Why does that make you happy?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:53 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I thought it might be too early for Snopes to have picked up on this so didn't even check there. So thanks Wandel.

But who 'fact checks' Barbara Mikkelson?

Snopes lists its sources and links to those that are on the web. In effect, then, everybody fact checks Snopes, or at least can. Your anonymous e-mails? Not so much.

Foxfyre wrote:
But the fact that Snopes did not dismiss it outright as 'false' suggests that my original perception that it had a 'ring of truth' was probably right.

Or, in other words, it's true because it's only mostly untrue.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:54 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Why does that make you happy?


Because it told me that I can generally trust my instincts re what is probaby true and what isn't.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:55 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Why does that make you happy?


Because it told me that I can generally trust my instincts re what is probaby true and what isn't.


And your instincts told you this one was mostly false? That most of what was in the email was wrong? That basically, other than the fact that Obama held an event that day and handed out some tix to preferred people, the rest was a complete lie?

What a joke

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:55 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Why does that make you happy?


Because it told me that I can generally trust my instincts re what is probaby true and what isn't.

So, just out of curiosity, which parts of the email did your instincts tell you were true?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 10:56 am
Ah, yaknow what? I'm not going to play this silly game today.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 11:12 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Just the same, I was happy to see that Snopes didn't dismiss this one as false.
Why does that make you happy?


Because it told me that I can generally trust my instincts re what is probaby true and what isn't.

So, just out of curiosity, which parts of the email did your instincts tell you were true?


Just out of curiosity, why do you want to know?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 11:15 am
@JamesMorrison,
JamesMorrison wrote:
...
I have decided to try to get politically involved, especially in the upcoming 2010 elections even if it is only licking stamps--any suggestions on who I might contact?
...
You and others have pointed out how valuable Republicans in grown-up mode are to some presidents and the country in general and if there is enough of a conservative shift in congress perhaps this will go a long ways towards a virtual impeachment of the Obama ideology, which generally seems to be, at least, socialistic. I think that, perhaps, even Ican may be pleased with such an outcome.

Ican would be pleased with such an outcome.

Here's a suggestion on who you may contact:

Quote:
Waco Tea Party event, Thursday, Sept 3
ed thompson [[email protected]]
Wed 8/26/2009 9:59 AM
[email protected]

Hi all,

Two items of interest:
Waco Tea Party even to welcome the caravan of Tea Party 9-12 folks that will end up in Washington, D.C. on 9-12 for a walk on Washington, D.C., will be in Waco at the Indian Springs Park, 101 S. University Parks Drive, on Thursday, September 3, around 5 to 5:30 p.m. Allow some time for flexibility....might arrive early, or late, or on time. A good crowd is always great.

2nd item:
Harry Reid, the Senate Majority leader whose opposition, Danny Tarkanian, almost beat him last time (how about that vote count), has a website called: www.tenforTARK.com.
On that site you can donate ten dollars toward his campaign and also send an email to Harry Reid that you did donate and that if this Healtcare Reform is passed, your sending more.
We all know that money talks. Ten bucks is a trip to McDonalds, but it goes a long way in helping someone else raise money for a campaign. I remember once asking Congressman Carter what we could do to help change the moral climate in Washington, and he told me, help elect those in areas where we need to vote someone out. We have done that before and were successful. Maybe we'll be successful with this one. If you are intersted in helping vote Harry Reid out...then viist the web site. It's a good investment in my opinion.

Hope to see you in Waco

Peggy

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 11:18 am
@ican711nm,
Ican,

Your correspondant would probably be happier if you didn't publish their emails in a forum like this. Spammers (junk mailers) have little programs which search for email addresses; by displaying it publicly, you're essentially directing a bunch of crap to his mailbox.

If you have to post it, bust it up a bit - cycloptichorn AT somethingmail DOT com. Everyone human will understand, the spam programs won't.

Just a friendly tip

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 11:20 am
@Foxfyre,
As I said, out of curiosity. You certainly don't have to answer.
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