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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 01:39 pm
@uncannie,
Welcome to A2K uncannie.

But setting aside for the moment whether this falls under 'self destructive' behavior, do you have a problem with a Presidential candidate being required to show that he meets the Constitutionally mandated requirements for the job?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 01:50 pm
@Foxfyre,
What a silly question; conservatives support Sarah Palin, the quesisential dummy of our times to be our president. She couldn't even name one magazine or newspaper when asked what she reads.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 01:50 pm
@ican711nm,
2ND AMENDMENT OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF HEALTHCARE MEDICAL INSURANCE
(1) Tax each and every dollar of personal gross income the same amount.
(2) Allow each tax payer to deduct directly from their total computed tax on their annual personal gross incomes, the annual cost of their private medical insurance UPTO 30% OF THEIR TOTAL COMPUTED TAX.
(3) Allow each taxpayer FOR WHOM 30% OF THEIR computed tax on their personal gross income exceeds the cost of the purchase of their private medical insurance, to deduct upto that excess what they donate to the purchase of the private medical insurance of others.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cice, Barack Obama is "the quesisential dummy of our times to be our president." Sarah Palin may not read "magazine or newspaper" published "of our times." That would be a positive for her, not a negative. Books, newsletters, and conservative web sites/talk radio/TV are far more reliable sources.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 02:17 pm
@Foxfyre,
they also believed in slavery.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 02:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Regnery Publishing


also home to other nuts like michelle malkin, jerome corsi, ann coulter and a ton of other fine purveyors of radical right wing porn.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 02:28 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
Books, newsletters, and conservative web sites/talk radio/TV are far more reliable sources.

Drunk



JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 02:28 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
I am pretty sure I will be able to recommend it to all serious history buffs, most particularly MAC history buffs:


Quote:
"The Politically Incorrect Guide to ..." - is published by Regnery Publishing


To be sure, MAC "history buffs", to thinking people, well not so much.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 06:45 pm
Slavery does not exist in the USA!

Slavery in the USA ended December 6, 1865 when the 13th Amendment was adopted.

The adoption of the 14th Amendment July 9, 1868 required "all persons born or naturalized in the USA to possess equal rights.

Few if any of us living today have or had grandparents who possessed slaves or were opposed to those two amendments.

!865 is about 144 years ago, and 1868 is about 141 years ago. Americans fixed those problems: slavery and discrimination by state and federal governments was ended. Discrimination by organizations was ended more than 40 years ago.

Neither prior to 1865 nor after 1865 did any American government murder millions of its citizens, like certain European and Asian governments did.

The USA helped save several European nations from subjugation in 1918.

The USA helped save several European nations from subjugation in 1945.

The USA helped save several Asian nations from subjugation in 1945.

Since then the USA has helped save the people of additional countries from subjugation.

Americans today are justified in being very proud of that history.

We are now faced by a new kind of discrimination by our own federal government. It has taken property and wants to take more property lawfully earned by some, and give it to some who have not lawfully earned it. We shall fix that problem too!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 07:13 pm
@ican711nm,
3RD AMENDMENT OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF HEALTHCARE MEDICAL INSURANCE
(1) Tax each and every dollar of personal gross income the same amount.
(2) Allow each tax payer to deduct directly from their total computed tax on their annual personal gross incomes, the annual cost of their private medical insurance UPTO 30% OF THEIR TOTAL COMPUTED TAX.
(3) Allow each taxpayer FOR WHOM 30% OF THEIR computed tax on their personal gross income exceeds the cost of the purchase of their private medical insurance, to deduct upto that excess what they donate to the purchase of the private medical insurance of others.
(4) The shall be no federal taxes on businesses. or property beguests.
(5) There shall be no dollars exempted from personal gross income, and there shall be no other deductions than those to pay for healthcare.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 11:00 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

A Million Iraqi Dead?
The U.S. press buries the evidence

By Patrick McElwee

The Iraq War was sold to Americans in part as an intervention that would benefit Iraqis, "liberating" them from the despotic rule of Saddam Hussein. In retrospect, after no weapons of mass destruction were found and the alleged links to Al-Qaeda were debunked, this supposed humanitarian mission became the central justification for the invasion. Today, it is a major pillar of what support remains among the U.S. public for continuing the occupation.

If Americans are to make informed judgments not only about the invasion of Iraq and whether the occupation should continue, but also about future wars our government may wish to start, then we need to have good information about the war's impact on Iraqis.

But the major U.S. press rarely considers a most basic measure of that impact: how many Iraqis have been killed. When they do mention the toll, they consistently ignore or malign two major statistical studies, the first conducted by the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and published in the prestigious British medical journal the Lancet (10/11/06), and the other released by the British polling firm Opinion Research Business (9/07). Both indicate that over a million Iraqis have now been killed. Yet an Associated Press poll in February (2/24/07) that asked Americans how many Iraqis have died received a median response of less than 10,000.

The Johns Hopkins study estimated that, as of July 2006, 655,000 Iraqis had been killed, about 600,000 of them violently and at least 30 percent directly by coalition forces. It updated an earlier study (Lancet, 10/29/04) that estimated that 100,000 Iraqis had died during the first year of the war. An extrapolation of the Johns Hopkins estimate of violent deaths done by Just Foreign Policy (9/18/07) currently stands at over 1.1 million.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3321



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How many deaths have been caused by the USA government?
by Richa
This article originally published in the July/August 1995 issue of “The FUNdamentalist”, pp6-7.

The USA has been acknowledged as the most powerful nation on Earth since the end of World War II. It has been lauded, to a degree rightly so, as having provided greater life and happiness for many people throughout the world. But there is another side most U.S. Americans don’t hear about so much, and that those with a let’s-always-be-positive, feel-good mentality tend to ignore or deny.
As with other supremely powerful nations in previous times, the USA has used its power to cause tremendous suffering and death. We are generally not taught this in school nor informed about it in the corporate media, though it is abundantly documented. So, i attempt here a rough measure of the totality of suffering for which USA government policies and actions are responsible.

I believe it is impossible to document this suffering totally, even if one limits it to human beings, as i do here; there are too many intangibles: loss of spouses, children, other family members; destruction of homes, means of livelihood, life works; despair, depression, loss of hope; and much more. However, one major component of this suffering, though still difficult to determine, is inherently much easier to measure: the number of deaths.

Such a measure of suffering has been carefully documented and widely used, for instance, to remind people throughout the world what the German Nazis did to European Jews. Evidence exists that USA government-caused suffering since then may, perhaps, be comparable.


http://richa.dod.net/warandpeace/howmanydeaths.htm



JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 11:18 pm
@ican711nm,
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Slavery in the USA ended December 6, 1865 when the 13th Amendment was adopted.


Let's have a show of hands for this grand gesture. Such humanity! It makes one positively giddy.

Pointing out that you have a track record that is only somewhat less scummy than other lower scum is hardly the sainted position you attempt, Ican.

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Selected Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities Before the 20th Century

In terms of absolute numbers, the lowest possible (and only barely possible at that) death toll we can put on the trans-Atlantic slave trade is 6 million. If we assume the absolute worst, a death toll as high as 60 million is at the very edge of possibility; however, the likeliest number of deaths would fall somewhere from 15 to 20 million.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#African


[emphasis is mine]
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 07:58 am
Ted Olson on gay marriage...
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I hope some people will open their eyes to the decency of getting to the point where we allow gay and lesbian individuals to be married and have a happy life... I am getting comments from some segments of the society who feel that it's the wrong thing to do and I'm betraying the conservative cause and things that I've stood for in my life. Some of it is quite hostile. But that goes with the territory. On the other hand, I'm hearing from people, including plenty of Republicans, who are very, very grateful. It has been overwhelmingly gratifying to hear from very decent people who are touched by the fact that we're trying to help.

A woman came up to me in our library in our law firm and said, "You and I haven't worked together, but I'm a lesbian. My partner and I have two children." And she burst into tears. I put my arm around her and she put her arms around me. This stands for what we're trying to accomplish here. It's a principle, but it's a principle that deeply touches human beings. If we're successful, we can help the lives of literally millions of people. And what a great service that would be.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrisonolson25-2009jul25,0,3768013.story

An instance of "compassionate conservatism" that is actually coherent. If conservatism is to have a viable future outside of the south, it will have to follow Olson's model of rejecting bigotry and a destructive politics of division.

As Andrew Sullivan puts it...
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Indeed. Maybe one day, the current insanity on the right will moderate to a point where a humane and conservative reform can win out over the fundamentalist psyche. But not until the toxins of Rove and Fox are drained out of the system.

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 08:27 am
Sampling of last week's political cartoons:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/090802beelertoon_c20090801033451.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/ca0729dd20090729031701.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0803cd20090731072323.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr073109dAPR20090731125851.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz073109dAPR20090803114650.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn090727_03_cmyk20090730045649.jpg
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 08:33 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Quote:
Re: ican711nm (Post 3722146)
ican711nm wrote:
Books, newsletters, and conservative web sites/talk radio/TV are far more reliable sources.


As a writer at The Democratic Strategist put it recently, "The biggest problem for conservatives (of Ican's sort) is that they actually believe what they believe."
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 08:47 am
@blatham,
And according to numerous writers, one of the reasons we are in the mess we are currently in is because liberals who believe as Blatham believes are now controlling the agenda.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 08:52 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

And according to numerous writers, one of the reasons we are in the mess we are currently in is because liberals who believe as Blatham believes are now controlling the agenda.


Right....
Because none of those problems existed from 1994-2006 when the GOP controlled the agenda in Congress.

The mess didn't start with the election of a Dem majority in the congress in 2006. And it certainly didn't start with the election of Obama in 2008.


I guess Blatham was correct. You believe what you want to believe Fox in spite of reality. Anyone that claims the current problems in the US are the result of liberals controlling the agenda need to have their heads examined.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 08:56 am
@parados,
The "mess we are in" as a consequence of an Obama administration in office for 6 months.

But on the other hand, it will take the long perspective and many years before history can properly cast judgements on the Bush administration.

This isn't merely inconsistency. It's a version of insanity.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 09:18 am
@blatham,
It is true that we cannot evaluate all the pros and cons of the Bush administration until there is more distance and more time for long range consequences to be evaluated.

But it is not the Bush administration who is now pushing enormously costly programs with a 2 trillion dollar deficit projected for next year and that doesn't even include projected costs for healthcare 'reform' if they get that through. It is not the Bush administration proposing more taxes on the rich and now the middle class during one of the nation's historically worst recessions. It is not the Bush administration funneling billions and billions of dollars to special interests producing few or no new jobs and ignoring tried and true initiatives that have helped jump start a sluggish economy in the past and that have provided incentive to business to hire people.

I don't defend fiscally irresponsible Bush policies either. But Bush cannot now push policies that will realistically have a chance to help us dig out of the current economic nightmare. The Obama administration can. And they're blowing it. And sooner or later they will not be able to keep blaming Bush and retain any credibility.

Obama ran on a sensible program of fiscal responsibility and government efficiency. It is quite obvious now that he either didn't have a clue what he was talking about or he was lying through his teeth. Either way we now have a mess.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2009 09:27 am
@parados,
Not only that but the GOP stopped many of the initiatives of the democrats even though they took a majority after 2006, and if my memory serves, even the democrats voted with the republican minority on many of their initiatives.

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