AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@cicerone imposter,

Buh would say "I dont remember" or "I dont know" (memory lapse) and you would call it a lie to protect himself.

You have a "memory lapse" to protect yourself from being caught up in a lie, and you say it isnt the same.

Sorry, but no matter how you spin it its still a lie on your part.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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A woman has been considered for the NFL; not as a quarter back, but still amongst all those "big" men

Who?
When?
What team looked at her?
What position was she going to play?
What college did she play football for?

they call it google

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@mysteryman,

mm, That you would consider such trivia as a lie shows how idiotic you are! Most people will just let it pass.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Robin's observation is that many liberals and militant feminists don't.

That was not, in fact, her observation. She did not refer to "militant" feminists ( whatever the he!! you mean by that in any case, since that language was not Robin's)

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@Foxfyre,

It appears that Robin wouldn't consider you as a "good" feminist, as he has defined it.

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@ehBeth,

And the only woman I found to actually be considered by the NFL was for an officials job, not as a player.
If I missed one, please show me.

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@cicerone imposter,

I am going to hold you to the same standards you demand from others.

Get used to it, because I am not going to stop.

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@mysteryman,

And, of coarse, this is one of the important issues of your life. LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

Is it important that someone live up to the same standards they demand from others?

Yes, it is.

If you either cant or wont do that, simply say so and all of your posts will be so noted.
Its your choice.

BTW, its COURSE, not COARSE.

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@mysteryman,

You don't know what "standard" means. If you did, you would understand the difference in what others say and why I challenge them.

Your challenge on my posts are grade school stuff.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You don't know what "standard" means

There are several different definitions, which one do you want?
In this case, I am simply using your own stated principles against you and expect you to abide by the same rules that you demand of others.

If you make a claim, back it up.
If you have a "mental lapse" and lie, expect to get called on it.
If you cant do that, then either stop demanding it of others or simply say you cant live up to your own pstandards.

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A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF HEALTHCARE MEDICAL INSURANCE
(1) Tax each and every dollar of gross income the same amount.
(2) Allow each tax payer to deduct directly from their total computed tax on their annual gross incomes, the annual cost of their private medical insurance.
(3) Allow each taxpayer whose computed tax on their gross income exceeds the cost of the purchase of their private medical insurance, to deduct upto that excess what they donate to the purchase of the private medical insurance of others.

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@ican711nm,

No good. If you can't afford the health care up front, it doesn't do you any good to get a rebate on your taxes. This isn't an actual solution, it's just a stalking horse for your nutty tax ideas - much like the other 'solutions' offered by Republicans on this issue.

Cycloptichorn

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

It appears that Robin wouldn't consider you as a "good" feminist, as he has defined it.

Perhaps not. Perhaps it would be easier to see where you are coming from if you would be specific about what you observe of what Robin says a 'good feminist' is and how that fit into her latest essay.

Even though she didn't use that specific label, I saw her essay as a condemnation of the 'militant feminist' views of how men as men should be feminized or marginalized or made less relevant.

So what did see as the specific theme of that essay?

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@ican711nm,

I have to agree with Cyclo (I know, what a shock).
The plan you have stated does no good if someone cant afford to buy insurance in the first place.
All of the tax deductions in the world wont allow someone to buy something they dont have the money up front for.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF HEALTHCARE MEDICAL INSURANCE
(1) Tax each and every dollar of gross income the same amount.

So.. let me get this right. .If a small business owner (Schedule C) grosses $3million and had expenses of zero should pay the same in income tax as a small business that grosses $3million and has expenses of $4million? Yeah.. the business community is going to love that one ican.

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(2) Allow each tax payer to deduct directly from their total computed tax on their annual gross incomes, the annual cost of their private medical insurance.

That does nothing to contain costs. The higher the medical expenses the fewer dollars the federal government takes in.

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(3) Allow each taxpayer whose computed tax on their gross income exceeds the cost of the purchase of their private medical insurance, to deduct upto that excess what they donate to the purchase of the private medical insurance of others.

Wow.. So.. let me get this straight. you want OTHERS to pay for the medical insurance because you won't be donating any money. Got it.

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@ehBeth,

Good luck with that ehBeth. Foxfyre knows what people mean in spite of what they actually wrote. You won't change her mind about the meaning either.

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@Cycloptichorn,

ican711nm wrote:

A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF HEALTHCARE MEDICAL INSURANCE
(1) Tax each and every dollar of gross income the same amount.
(2) Allow each tax payer to deduct directly from their total computed tax on their annual gross incomes, the annual cost of their private medical insurance.
(3) Allow each taxpayer whose computed tax on their gross income exceeds the cost of the purchase of their private medical insurance, to deduct upto that excess what they donate to the purchase of the private medical insurance of others.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

No good. If you can't afford the health care up front, it doesn't do you any good to get a rebate on your taxes. This isn't an actual solution, it's just a stalking horse for your nutty tax ideas - much like the other 'solutions' offered by Republicans on this issue.

Whatever part of their taxes a person pays for medical insurance--if any--is deductible from that tax. The rest required--if any--can be paid tax free by a private charity to which others have voluntarily chosen to donate and have deducted from their own taxes..

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I have to agree with Cyclo (I know, what a shock).
The plan you have stated does no good if someone cant afford to buy insurance in the first place.
All of the tax deductions in the world wont allow someone to buy something they dont have the money up front for.

But what Ican didn't say in that single post, and what Cyclop almost never admits, is that tax policy can and does change the dynamics of how people manage their money and what they spend it on. And it can change the dynamics of the market to make some things more affordable, some things less affordable, and some things more or less attractive.

Those who can't afford healthcare insurance period are being mostly taken care of by government programs. But the way to make healthcare more affordable is not to force people into a vaguely defined, poorly thought out, and probably incompetently managed government system. The best way to make healthcare more affordable is to change the system that drives healthcare costs up, and a lot of that the government can control since it was their policies that created most of it.

Ican has correctly suggested that the simple idea of focusing on the uninsured and it would be far less costly to deal with rather than dismantling the entire system that would very likely eventually force everybody into something else.

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@Foxfyre,

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But what Ican didn't say in that single post, and what Cyclop almost never admits, is that tax policy can and does change the dynamics of how people manage their money and what they spend it on

Not predictably. You have no real data showing that people who save money on their taxes for health care will actually SPEND that money on health care. It's just a theory that you guys have, and one which just so happens to cut taxes at the same time, gee! I've never seen Republicans offer that as a solution before!

Boring

Cycloptichorn

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