@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
But that still leaves unanswered my initial question: why is the "fair" tax more fair than the flat tax?
I'll answer your repetitive questions one last time.
Please have someone read this reply to you.
Because the wage earner has more take home pay with The FairTax .
Because The FairTax is a consumption tax.
Because you don't pay Federal taxes unless you purchase goods and services with The FairTax.
Because the flat tax reduces your take home pay and you still have to pay tax on goods & services purchased.
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:Because the wage earner has more take home pay with The FairTax .
Why is that more
fair than a flat tax?
H2O MAN wrote:Because The FairTax is a consumption tax.
So what?
H2O MAN wrote:Because you don't pay Federal taxes unless you purchase goods and services with The FairTax.
Again, so what? Why is a federal sales tax coupled with a state income tax necessarily more fair than a flat federal income tax coupled with a state sales tax?
H2O MAN wrote:Because the flat tax reduces your take home pay and you still have to pay tax on goods & services purchased.
But you'd still have to pay income taxes with your "fair" tax. I don't see why paying a federal sales tax and a state income tax is more fair than paying a federal income tax and a state sales tax. Isn't it just six of one and a half dozen of the other?
As I see it, you're arguing that one tax is more fair than another without having any clear conception of what it means for a tax to be "fair" in the first place. Perhaps if you addressed the basic issue of "fairness" in taxation, you might be able to come close to actually answering my question.
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:The fair tax only deals with federal taxes. Sates will still have their own taxation systems.
What gave you the impression that I didn't understand that?
FEDERAL FLAT TAX
(1) Taxes only gross incomes;
(2) Taxes all dollars of income at the same equal rate;
(3) Replaces all other federal imposts including federal sales taxes and corporate income taxes;
(4) Does not permit any deductions, exemptions, paybacks, refunds, credits, or minimum taxes.
In the illustration I previously posted:
(a) A gross income of $84,632.61, and a Federal Flat Tax rate of 10%, requires a tax payment of $8,463.26;
(b) A Federal Flat Sales Tax rate of 12.5% is required to produce the same total tax payment of $8,463.26 from a person, whose gross income is also $84,632.61.
(c) The same tax payment of $8,463.26 is required with the current 10%/15%/25% Federal Income Tax for a married couple, filing jointly, with the same gross income of $84,632.61, and a taxable income of $61,988.38.
I prefer (a) to (b). I prefer (b) to (c).
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
McGentrix wrote:The fair tax only deals with federal taxes. States will still have their own taxation systems.
What gave you the impression that I didn't understand that?
Because you are trying to muddy the waters by bringing up state taxes into an issue about Federal taxes. That clarification was obviously needed or you would just keep bringing it up.
@McGentrix,
If you had been paying attention, you would have realized that I didn't bring it up --
H2O Man is the one who said that the flat tax would tax incomes and purchases, and later explained that the flat tax would leave state sales taxes in place. I'm just attempting to find out why he thinks a federal sales tax with state income taxes is more fair than a federal income tax with state sales taxes.
Try to keep up.
@joefromchicago,
OMG Joe!
Are you really this ignorant?
I think not.
Maybe TKO, CI or Cyclotroll are impersonating Joe?
@joefromchicago,
Hmmm... only hearing half the conversation does present an issue.
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
You are helpless.
Just what I expected. When you are put to the task of explaining your views, you simply take your ball and go home. It's a shame, actually,
WaterBoy. You seem to have a few ideas that might be worth exploring. Not very deep ones, to be sure, and ones that you can't readily articulate, but ideas nonetheless. Why you choose to resort to juvenile spitballing and inane name-calling rather than participating in the debate about those ideas is something of a mystery. But I suppose it's your choice if you want to be regarded by most of the people here as little more than a buffoon, a coward, and a troll.
@joefromchicago,
You call it "spitballing," I call it pissing; he stinks up the place.
@joefromchicago,
Joe, your brain is suffering from atrophy - you are truly helpless.
@H2O MAN,
Aren't
Ca2+ and
Mg2+ you're favourite nutritional supplements, homo aqua?
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hiteler, your vehement hatred for homosexuals was noted previously,
and the reinforcement of your hate mongering bigotry has also been noted.
@H2O MAN,
I don't hate you. But now go back in snoezelen room.
@Walter Hinteler,
How could you hate me?
You don't know a single thing about me!
Go back to making swastika's for the kiddies you putz.
Considering Ican's posting of phrases from Orwell's writings and applying the messages included in them to current events, this one caught my eye. Considering the themes of
1984 and
Animal Farm , this unusual cloak and dagger move on the part of Amazon would be funny except for the implications of it. If Amazon can access our Kindles, locate whatever reading material has been loaded into them, and delete it, then ANYBODY can do that, including the government or others that we really don't think should consider our reading lists as anybody's business but ours.
Quote:Amazon CEO apologizes for deleting Orwell books
Jul 24 10:17 AM US/Eastern
Book Deletions by Amazon Unnerve Kindle Users
Amazon founder Jeff Bezos has issued an apology to Kindle customers after "1984" and other books by British novelist George Orwell were remotely deleted from their electronic readers.
"This is an apology for the way we previously handled illegally sold copies of '1984' and other novels on Kindle," the Amazon chief executive said in a post on Thursday on the Kindle Community discussion forum.
"Our 'solution' to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles," Bezos wrote.
"It is wholly self-inflicted, and we deserve the criticism we've received," he said. "We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission."
Bezos' apology came a week after unauthorized copies of "1984" and "Animal Farm" were wiped from Kindle readers in a move that triggered privacy concerns and drew unfavorable comparisons to Big Brother-like behavior.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.e5c73c285871b4ae01c48f87ff89af64.3a1&show_article=1
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Considering Ican's posting of phrases from Orwell's writings and applying the messages included in them to current events, this one caught my eye. Considering the themes of 1984 and Animal Farm , this unusual cloak and dagger move on the part of Amazon would be funny except for the implications of it. If Amazon can access our Kindles, locate whatever reading material has been loaded into them, and delete it, then ANYBODY can do that, including the government or others that we really don't think should consider our reading lists as anybody's business but ours.
Quite a lot of electronical apparatuses have such - I notice it any couple of days on my (digital cable) tv.
What works the one way works the other as well.
The US-government shortly will know what bank transactions I did with whom in a different country, something that's done since 2002 even on national basis in the USA already.
