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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:08 pm
@Foxfyre,
I seriously doubt it.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:13 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Duty: 5. A tax charged by a government, especially on imports


Since income tax is a tax charged by the government, doesn't that make income taxes duties?

Quote:
excise
1. An internal tax imposed on the production, sale, or consumption of a commodity or the use of a service within a country: excises on tobacco, liquor, and long-distance telephone calls.

But wait, an income tax is a tax imposed on the income produced so doesn't that make an income tax an excise?


If "tax" means "impost" why does the constituiton say "taxes, duties, imposts and excises". Why would the founders be redundant? Or by repeating the word tax and imposts do they mean something can be taxed more than once?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:15 pm
@Foxfyre,
It's called C-Span.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:16 pm
@okie,
okie, Emotional attachment is better than your contributions that are rated ridiculous, uninformed, and just plain stupid!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:17 pm
@parados,
And how many committee meetings have you seen on C-Span?
How many meetings with lobbyists have you seen televised?

Obama promised that ALL of the debates and meetings regarding the healthcare
bill would be televised, and they havent been.
I havent sen any of the committee meetings or debates televised.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:18 pm
@joefromchicago,
She has eight years of material to look for, but her complaint as always will be it's too voluminous!
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Dont you use the same defense whenever someone challenges you to come up with a previous post supporting any claim you make?

You usually tell someone to find it themselves if they are that interested.
So what makes what she is doing any different?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:21 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:
And when you respond to this, you still won't include a link to any post where you criticized Bush's Medicare prescription drug benefit plan during Bush's administration.


As you are one who has never agreed with me on any position I have ever held nor approved of anything I have ever posted on A2K and is on the record as wanting me to leave A2K, give me a good reason for me to care what you think about what I posted years ago. When you challenged me to produce posts critical of President Bush, and I did so, those were dismissed, by you, as really 'soft' or "weak' or some similar adjective. If I choose not to spend the considerable time to go back through years of A2K participation as if I think you would accept whatever I found, perhaps you will understand that. If not, do have a pleasant day anyway.

I was right.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:24 pm
@joefromchicago,
Yep. Just as I was right that you can find plenty of my quotes criticizing Bush's prescription drug initiative and can't find a single quote of mine where I supported it.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:26 pm
And I will apologize in advance for this, as I usually don't post these kinds of presentations. But this one is just too good. Turn up your speakers. Smile

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:30 pm
@Foxfyre,
Just think; if we didn't have the Bush clowns in the first place, it didn't have to follow with the Obama clowns.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And if wa hadnt had the clown named Clinton, then the Bush and Obama clowns wouldnt have followed.

How far back do you want to go?

Are you saying that the Bush actions now excuse whatever Obama does?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
When you don't provide any options to solve our problems, how do you expect to win any election in the future?


I posted these ideas is a while ago:

Quote:
LIBERTY AND TYRANNY
A CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO

BY MARK R. LEVIN
PAGES 193 " 205

1. TAXATION

Eliminate the progressive income tax"replace it with a flat income tax or national sales tax"for its purpose is to redistribute wealth, not fund the constitutionally legitimate functions of the federal government.

All residents of the country must be required to pay the tax so they have a stake in limiting its abuse.

Eliminate the automatic withholding of taxes, for it conceals the extent to which the federal government is confiscating income from its citizens.

Eliminate the corporate income tax, for it is nothing more than double taxation on shareholders and consumers, and penalizes wealth and job creation.

Eliminate the death tax, for it denies citizens the right to confer the material value they have created during their lives to whomever they wish, including their family.

All federal income tax increases will require a supermajority vote of three-fifths of Congress.

Limit federal spending each year to less than 20% of the gross domestic product.

2. ENVIRONMENT

Eliminate the special tax-exempt status granted environmental groups, since they are not nonpartisan charitable foundations.

Eliminate special statutory authority granting environmental groups standing to bring lawsuits on behalf of the public, since their main purpose is to pursue the Statist’s agenda through litigation.

Fight all efforts to use environmental regulations to set governmental industrial policies and diminish the nation’s standard of living, such as "cap and trade" to regulate "man-made climate change."

3. JUDGES

Limit the Supreme Court’s judicial-review power, which far exceeds the Framer’s intent, by establishing a legislative veto over Court decisions"perhaps a two-thirds supermajority vote of both houses of Congress, not dissimilar from Congressional override authority of a presidential veto.

Eliminate lifetime tenure for federal judges, given the extra-curricular power they have amassed and their routine intervention in political and policy decisions"which the Constitution leaves to the representative branches.

No judicial nominee should be confirmed who rejects the jurisprudence of originalism.

4. THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE

Sunset all "independent" federal agencies each year, subject to Congress affirmatively reestablishing them.

Require federal departments and agencies to reimburse individuals and enterprises for the costs associated with the devaluation of their private property from the issuance of regulations that compromise the use of their property.

Eliminate unions for federal government employees, since the purpose of a civil service system is to promote merit and professionalism over patronage, and the purpose of federal unions is to empower themselves and promote Statist.

Reduce the civilian federal workforce by 20 percent or more.

5. GOVERNMENT EDUCATION

Eliminate monopoly control of government education by applying the antitrust laws to the National Education Association and American Federation of Teachers; the monopoly is destructive of quality education and competition and is unresponsive to the taxpayers who fund it.

Eliminate tenure for government schoolteachers and college/university professors, making them accountable for the quality of instruction they provide students.

Strip the statist agenda from curricula (such as multiculturalism and global warming) and replace it with curricula that reinforce actual education and the preservation of the civil society through its core principles.

Eliminate the federal Department of Education, since education is primarily a state and local function.

6. IMMIGRATION

Eliminate chain migration, which grants control over immigration policy to aliens and foreign governments, and which the Statist defends to expand his electoral and administrative state constituency.

Secure the nation’s borders and discourage those who violate them"illegal alien and citizen lawbreaker alike"by enforcing the immigration laws.

End multiculturalism, diversity, and bilingualism in public institutions, which beget poverty, animosity, and ethnic balkanization; promote assimilation and unity of citizenship, allegiance to American culture, and English as the official national language.

7. ENTITLEMENTS

Social Security is going bankrupt. Medicare is going bankrupt. Medicaid is going bankrupt. These programs and others have accumulated more than $50 trillion in IOUs due and payable by subsequent generations. Educate the young people about the intergenerational trap the Statist has laid for them"which will steal their liberty, labor, opportunities, and wealth"and build a future electoral force for whom the elixir of entitlements is understood as poisonous snake oil. These programs were created in politics and will have to be addressed in politics. Only in this way can they be contained, limited, and reformed.

Fight all efforts to nationalize the health-care system. National health care is the mother of all entitlement programs, for through it the Statist controls not only the material wealth of the individual but his physical well being. Remind the people that the politicians and bureaucrats, about whom they are already cynical, will ultimately have the final say over their choice of doctors, hospitals, and treatments"meaning the system will be politicized and bureaucratized. Remind them that this human experiment has been tried and has failed in places like Britain and Canada, where patients have been subjected to arbitrary treatment decisions, long waiting periods for lifesaving surgeries, antiquated medical technologies, the denial of high-cost pharmaceuticals available elsewhere, and the inefficient rationing of health care generally. And remind them that despite past utopian promises, the Statist rarely delivers.

8. FOREIGN POLICY AND SECURITY

Ensure that all foreign policy decisions are made for the purpose of preserving and improving American society.

Reject all treaties, entanglements, institutions, and enterprises that have as their purpose the supplementation of America’s best interests, including its physical, cultural, economic, and military sovereignty, to an amorphous "global" interest.

Ensure that America remains the world superpower. Ensure that at all times America’s military forces are prepared for war to dissuade attacks, encourage peace, and, if necessary, win any war.

9. FAITH

Oppose all efforts to denude the nation of its founding justification"that is, God-given unalienable, natural rights that the government can neither confer on the individual nor deny to him. The Statist seeks the authority to do both, which explains his contempt for, or misuse of, faith. Moreover, faith provides the moral order that ties one generation to the next, and without which the civil society cannot survive.

10. THE CONSTITUTION

Demand that all public servants, elected or appointed, at all times uphold the Constitution and justify their public acts under the Constitution.

Oppose all efforts to "constitutionalize" the Statist agenda.

Eliminate limits on and rationing of political free speech through unconstitutional "campaign finance" laws, which benefit incumbent politicians, the media, unions, and other Statist related groups. Any American citizen or group of American citizens should be free to contribute to candidates as they wish, as long as the source, amount, and recipient of the contributions are made known.

Defeat all efforts to unconstitutionally regulate the content of political speech on broadcast outlets, such as radio. The Statist now seeks to consolidate the power he has accumulated by silencing noncompliant voices through a variety of schemes that would regulate broadcast content.

"President Reagan said, Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

We conservatives need to get busy.


Conservatives have to understand that it is above the Statist job code to make rational rebuttals against that with which they disagree.
Quote:
LIBERTY AND TYRANNY
BY MARK R. LEVIN
Page 4.
The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state, thereby rejecting the principles of the Declaration and the order of the civil society, in whole or part. For the Modern Liberal, the individual’s imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objective of a utopian state. In this, Modern Liberalism promotes what French historian Alexis de Tocquerville described as a soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly more oppressive, potentially leading to a hard tyranny (some form of totalitarianism). As the word liberal is, in its classical meaning, the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to characterize the Modern Liberal as a Statist.

The Founders understood that the greatest threat to liberty is an all-powerful government, where the few dictate to the many.


Think for yourself, cicerone imposter, and stop parroting Statist.doctrine. If you cannot make a rational rebuttal against that with which you disagree, then you are a Statist. If you truly believe in the USA’s Declaration of Independence and Constitution, then you cannot rationally support or otherwise defend Statist authoritarian government.

Statists are supporting fools and/or frauds. It is unlikely that Obama is dumb enough to believe that emulating FDR's programs 1933 to 1940, and then some, will produce any better effect than did FDR 1933 to 1940. It is possible he is dumb enough to believe that. But I think he is smart enough to know that emulating FDR, and then some, will turn America into a complete Statist society no longer operating in support of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statism&x=32&y=8
Main Entry: stat•ism
...
Function: noun
...
: concentration of all economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government
...


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:35 pm
@mysteryman,
And you wouldn't be able to explain the whys if your life depended on it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:36 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, That's one. We're a nation of over 300 million.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My life doesnt depend on it, so your statement is stupid on its face.

And since any explanation of my comments would be completely dismissed by you as being partisan, lets just leave it at the fact that I didnt like Bill Clinton.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So you want over 300 million ideas?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:41 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Is an impost a direct or an indirect tax ican?

All imposts are taxes. Whether or not an impost is a direct or indirect tax depends on what is being taxed. An impost tax on income is a direct tax.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:44 pm
@mysteryman,
You're a loser no matter how you manage to make small things into fear-mongering about Obama.

mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 01:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am not making anythting into "fear-mongering" about Obama.

I am simply reporting known facts about what he has done so far, and allowing others to form their own opinion.

Unless you consider facts to be "fear-mongering".

Show where I have misquoted him, reported something that wasnt true, or otherwise tried to scare people about him.
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