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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:12 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Perhaps they are incapable of understanding it?


How many times has Foxy used this line to suggest those who disagree with her are too stupid to understand the intellectual complexity of her point? I think the number is in the thousands.

Is "every" a number yet?

T
K
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I believe it fits squarely within Ican's numerical vernacular.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:49 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:


How can you say that with certainty? Would you like to show your future employer that C or D or F you got as proof that you obtained knowledge?

When you remove the grade as an indicator of knowledge achieved/effort expended, why would the superior student study like crazy if he was going to fail anyway? He would still receive an "F" no matter how much he studied. If it was knowledge he wanted, most would figure they could get that with a lot less hassle and in a way that would have a whole lot more credibility.


As others have stated, the vast majority of employers could give two shits about one's grades, as long as you graduated.

There are also major problems with the idea that an averaging of student grades would ever give a 'f' average, in the first place. An 'F' is less than 70% correct, under most grading schemes; in order to average less than that, there can be very few grades higher than an F. This is extremely unlikely as in any given class there will be several who will achieve high grades no matter what.

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Now you take a small business owner who is offered a nice contract, but if he accepts it he will push himself into a substantially higher tax bracket and subject himself to all manner of government regulations, mandates, and red tape that he doesn't have as a Mom & Pop operation. He decides he doesn't need the aggravation or the reduced income so he doesn't hire the half dozen people he would have otherwise hired. And the next guy lays off a few employees to keep himself under the threshhold where the government would have socked it to him.


Paragraphs like this make me wonder if you know anything at all about taxes. As Parados pointed out, higher tax brackets only affect the monies made over that level. So keeping yourself under that point doesn't save you money - under any calculation.

If business owners don't wish to go through the hassles of becoming bigger businesses, and the things that go with that - that isn't an indicator of a problem with the regulations, it's a decision on the part of the mom and pop business owner and a judgment that it isn't worth it to them. Your paragraph somehow judges this as a bad thing. It isn't. If people don't want their business to grow, that's their own decision; looking at the jobs they 'could have had' is a little asinine, every company could provide more or less jobs, that's not a reason to make policy.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:51 pm
@Debra Law,
Suggesting is not libel.

Declaring is libel?
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:54 pm
@ican711nm,
Declaring the truth is not.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:57 pm
@ican711nm,
In the Pilgrims' first year half died.
In their first year, all property was collectively owned.

The remaining pilgrims then divided their property to make it individually owned.
They prospered thereafter.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 06:58 pm
@JTT,
I agree, declaring the truth is not libel.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 07:20 pm
@wandeljw,
From time to time, I've received that E mail in one form or another for over ten years. It's S(cam) Mail. There is no professor and the origin is obviously another crazed MAC who ate a hamburger tainted with LSD.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 07:22 pm
@Lightwizard,


The Obama government is lacing McDonald's hamburgers with LSD?

That would explain many things...
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 07:42 pm
From some other folks!

I obtained my copy of this petition via e-mail by calling The White House Watch, 202-558-6491.
Their web address is:
www.TheWhiteHouseWatch.com
Quote:

Petition for the Impeachment
of Barack Obama

To: The 111th Congress of the United States of America

Given that President Barack Obama may not be a natural born
citizen of the United States, he therefore does not meet the minimum
requirements to serve as President. There is considerable evidence that,
while campaigning, he broke Federal Election Commission regulations
and accepted massive amounts of mony from foreign interests. It seems
that he is now representing those interests and not the interests of the
American People.

In running for president, Barack Obama has knowingly defrauded the
American people, costing our nation billions of dollars, while desecrating
the U.S. Constitution.

What's more, Barack Obama has made unconstitutional power grabs
unlike any witnessed in the history of our nation. He is dismantling our
democracy and moving our nation to socialism and Fascism. There is
ample legislation passed, regulations implemented and government
controls put in place that violate our Constitution, U.S. sovereignty and
endanger American citizens. It is clear Barack Obama is representing the
interests of our enemies and violating his oath to protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States of America.

Therefore, as per the U.S. Constitution, as representatives of the American
people, the U.S. Congress must act to impeach Barack Obama before our
nation is put in greater peril.

Sincerely,
_________________________________________________
White House Watch Member


ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 07:53 pm
@ican711nm,
Their mailing address is:
WHITE HOUSE WATCH
A project of Policy Issues Institute
PO Box 96560
Washington, D.C. 20090-6560

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parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 08:02 pm
@ican711nm,
I think you need to rewrite that ican..

Quote:
To: The 111th Congress of the United States of America

I am really stupid.

Sincerely,
_________________________________________________
White House Watch Member


Obama's official birth certificate is available online. It is remarkably similar to the one I got from my home state and the one my wife has as well. States issue documents with an official seal and the necessary information. Perhaps you can post your birth certificate online ican so we can see what you think a birth certificate valid for government purposes should look like.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jul, 2009 08:05 pm
@Lightwizard,
I doubt LSD had anything to do with their "crazed."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 07:54 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I an assure you that if you are applying for graduate school or certain professional positions, or want honors on your resume, your grade point becomes damned important. And your post strongly suggests that I probably know a lot more sh*t about taxes than you do, especially as they affect business. I have run a business and paid local, state, and federal taxes, payroll taxes, and various other taxes associated with that. Have you?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:12 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I an assure you that if you are applying for graduate school or certain professional positions, or want honors on your resume, your grade point becomes damned important. And your post strongly suggests that I probably know a lot more sh*t about taxes than you do, especially as they affect business. I have run a business and paid local, state, and federal taxes, payroll taxes, and various other taxes associated with that. Have you?


Does a tax consultant have to have paid personally all the taxes he consults people on before getting licensed for his job ?

Walter(who has given grade points for BAs and MAs)Hinteler
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:16 am
@Foxfyre,
But if the grades are all averaged then no one will have honors Fox, so the students would all be on the same footing with prospective employers.

Employers and universites get around grade inflation all the time. Why do you think they would not be able to do the same for grade averaging?

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parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:18 am
@Foxfyre,
So Fox..

Since you think you are an expert on taxes..

Explain how someone can have a reduced income and be in a higher tax bracket.

(Someone please ask this of Fox since I am sure she still has me on ignore.)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:47 am
More gleanings from morning e-mail (which will probably irritate Walter and Wandel but perhaps of interest to some members):

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Taxes drove the American Revolution, for we were a taxaphobic, liberty-loving people. That government is best that governs least is an Americanism. When "Silent Cal" Coolidge went home in 1929, the U.S. government was spending 3 percent of gross domestic product.

And today? Obama's first budget will consume 28 percent of the entire GDP; state and local governments another 15 percent. While there is some overlap, in 2009, government will consume 40 percent of GDP, approaching the peak of World War II.

The deficit for 2009 is $1.8 trillion, 13 percent of the whole economy. Obama is pushing a cap-and-trade bill to cut carbon emissions that will impose huge costs on energy production, spike consumer prices and drive production offshore to China, which is opting out of Kyoto II. The Chinese are not fools.

Obama plans to repeal the Bush tax cuts and take the income tax rate to near 40 percent. Combined state and local income tax rates can run to 10 percent. For the self-employed, payroll taxes add up to 15.2 percent on the first $106,800 for all wages of all workers. Medicare takes 2.9 percent of all wages above that. Then there are the state sales taxes that can run to 8 percent, property taxes, gas taxes, excise taxes, and "sin taxes" on booze, cigarettes and, soon, hot dogs and soft drinks.

Comes now national health insurance from Nancy Pelosi's House. A surtax that runs to 5.4 percent of all earnings of the top 1 percent of Americans, who already pay 40 percent of all federal income taxes, has been sent to the Senate. Included also is an 8 percent tax on the entire payroll of small businesses that fail to provide health insurance for employees.

Other ideas on the table include taxing the health benefits that businesses provide their employees.

The D.C.-based Tax Foundation says New Yorkers could face a combined income tax rate of near 60 percent.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:54 am
Is it little wonder that the CBO announced yesterday that the Federal budget was on an unsustainable path? On the Drudge Report, that link was right next to the one where the Treasury Dept. is looking for contractors who can develop and run programs teaching the importance of humor in the workplace along with the ability to create cartoons on the spot. Your tax dollars at work.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 08:57 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Taxes drove the American Revolution, for we were a taxaphobic, liberty-loving people.


This line from your e-mail is misleading. The revolutionaries were reacting not to taxes but to "taxation without representation." The real issue was that they had no representation in the Parliament that imposed the taxes.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2009 09:02 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Taxes drove the American Revolution, for we were a taxaphobic, liberty-loving people.


This line from your e-mail is misleading. The revolutionists were reacting not to taxes but to "taxation without representation". What they objected to was the fact that they had no representation in the Parliament that imposed the taxes.


Your take was the effective 'legal' justification for the tax revolt yes, but that was not the intent of the author quoted in my post. It doesn't take much reading in the documents the Founders left us to discern that the statement as posted is quite accurate. Government was to be explicitly limited in scope, power, and ability to confiscate or appropriate the property of the citizens. Liberty was the goal. I think those Founders would be horrified at what we have become. The Founders' principles that allowed our Republic to function so magnificently, despite its imperfections, when they were followed, are essentially no more.

It might not be too late to get them back and restore the Republic as intended. But we first have to understand and appreciate what it was.
 

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