AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

John Cole agrees.

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It is only going to get worse. When you consider they(conservatives) hate their candidate, who, by the way has a campaign that is in absolute chaos, they are trailing nationwide in Congressional races that are normally safe seats, they can't mount a defense of their current standard-bearer and are running from him every chance they get, on almost every issue the public sides with the Democrats, you quickly realize that all they have is a visceral anti-Democratic hatred going for them. That really is it.

That is it. There are no real new ideas being advanced by the Republican party; no new bills being introduced, nothing. Just attack and hate all day long.

I think it would be interesting to see how many posts you can find by A2K Conservatives extolling McCain or talking about how excited they are to vote for him; I suspect the number would be quite small indeed. It's much easier to just pick on the other fellow.

Cycloptichorn

True Conservatism is devoted to the rescue and conservation of our constitutional republic.

Oh brother.

Your romantic ideas of conservatism are too easily exploited. They are far too simplistic and rely on a generalization of mankind which has yet to be seen.

It may look good on paper, but it is ultimately flawed.

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Personally I think the key is intellectual honesty to make a good effort to hear and understand what the other person is saying whether or not we agree with it.

--When (somebody) says he ate some watermelon he didn't say he ate a watermelon.

--When we say most terrorists these days are Muslim, we aren't saying that Muslims are terrorists.

--When we say that fundamentalists were involved in the evolution of the Constitution and American freedoms, we aren't saying that ONLY fundamentalists were involved in the evolution of the Constitution and American freedoms nor are we saying that all Christians are fundamentalists.

--When we say that illegal immigration is bad and most illegal immigrants are Mexican, that doesn't extrapolate to Mexicans being illegal immigrants or bad or that immigration is bad.

and,

--When we point out that a marble is red, somebody pointing out that marbles have not always been red or will not always be red or that all marbles are not the same shade of red or commendably red or that other marbles have been engaged in other activities does not in any way change the point made that the marble is red.

Example:
--Comment: Modern Conservatism stands for more, not less freedom as much as is reasonably possible.
--Non Sequitur Response: Tell that to somebody who was dragged over here in chains on a slave ship. . .

ican711nm wrote:

Please answer this question Diest TKO:
(1) do you now allege that the sun does influence the earth's weather?
(2) do you now allege the sun does not influence the earth's weather?
(3) do you now allege neither?

Diest TKO ,which one do you now allege:
(1)?
(2)?
(3)?

I've never said anything to even suggest 2 or 3, and I object to 1 because of the word "now." I haven't changed my stance on whether the sun contributes or not.

I've been very clear that I agree the sun contributes. I always have. So your inclusion of the word "now" is unnecessary because I maintain the same position as I have ever since I've posted here.

I even highlighted the post with red so you could see for yourself. Are you actively trying to ignore it? If you had read it, you wouldn't have bothered asking this question. The answer was already present and it was from months ago.

It makes you look really dumb to ask a question that was answered on the previous page let alone answered months ago.

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Fox - Isn't that the dilemma though? The GOP misrepresents itself as being conservative to rally for support.

If the GOP was a truly conservative party, the president would not have a higher approval rating, we'd have a different president. No truly conservative body would push forward someone like GWB. If the GOP was truly conservative, we would have a totally different roster on the right.

It's not Liberals who mistake the two, it's Republicans that mistake themselves.

If the GOP was truly conservative, I would still have some disagreements philosophically with them, but at least at that point, I'd be discussing methodology, and not vision.

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Well, I hear alot of whining in these parts, so I think Gramm had a point.

And Obama is targeting a bunch of whiners in order to win. What else would it be, waving signs about change? Here we live in the best country on earth, and people can't handle it. Johnny took away my toys, I do all the work, blah blah blah, Johnny is harassing me, Johnny won't let me play with him, Johnny messes up my room, and the parents give him a bigger allowance just because he empties the trash, but I can't because he won't let me, on and on, Pathetic. Grow up, people.

Nice try, cyclops, but most of the above has resulted from liberals whining and holding up the natural and proper course of action, such as free enterprise, upholding the law, and age old traditions, such as marriage between one man and one woman. Only the whiners demand men should be able to get married. What next will it be?

Uh, you must have missed it, that already happened, oe.

Uh, you must have missed it, that already happened, oe.

I wonder where Okie got the idea that Free Enterprise is a natural course of action. This statement could not be farther from the truth, as for the vast majority of human history, there really was no such thing.

Is it whining when WE insist the laws are upheld, Okie?

Cycloptichorn