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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 12:14 am
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Obama Should Listen to Leviticus: Don't Confuse Justice and Charity
by Michael Medved

The core mistake of liberalism involves the confusion of charity and justice.

How do we know it’s a disastrous error to blur the distinction between these two timeless virtues?

Because the Bible specifically warns us against it.

Last Saturday, Jewish people around the world read Leviticus 19:15 as part of the weekly “Torah Portion” " the specific segment of the Five Books of Moses assigned since ancient times for synagogue recitation on this particular Sabbath of the calendar.

The text declares (in the best modern translation): “You shall not commit a perversion of justice; you shall not favor the poor and you shall not honor the great; with righteousness shall you judge your fellow.”

The unmistakable commandment to avoid favoring the poor comes as something of a shock: doesn’t the Bible, and especially the New Testament, repeatedly remind us to deal generously with the less fortunate, and to care for widows, orphans and paupers in general?

The truth is that the Bible " both Old and New Testament"views compassion as a personal obligation rather than a public priority for governmental or judicial policy. The all important warning against tilting the scales of justice toward the poor appears just three verses before the most famous single injunction in all of Scripture: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Leviticus, 19:18).The juxtaposition of God’s directives makes it clear that not even love for your neighbor can allow “perversion of justice.” Justice and charity must remain distinct"not just separate, but in some ways opposite polarities.

The importance of this distinction particularly concerned the great Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Ytizchaki, 1040-1105), considered the most authoritative expositor of millennia-old oral traditions on the Biblical text. More than 900 years ago, Rashi addressed the verse in question and faced the puzzle of why the Bible forbids bias on behalf of the poor even before it forbids favoritism for the rich. “You shall not say, ‘This man is poor, and the rich man is obliged to support him,” the eminent Rabbi wrote. A judge is strictly prohibited from saying “I shall favor the poor man in this suit, and thus he will make a respectable living.” As a 20th Century rabbi (Nosson Scherman) succinctly summarized the point: “The Torah insists that justice be rendered honestly; charity may not interfere with it.”

Ironically, the Jewish world focused on this point this year in precisely the same week (the first Sabbath in May) in which President Obama faced his first opportunity to appoint a new justice to the Supreme Court of the United States. In some of his campaign comments about criteria for such an appointment, the future president specifically indicated he wanted a judge with a “heart” for the poor and downtrodden, and who would concentrate on their specific interests and needs"in other words, precisely the sort of jurist prohibited by Leviticus.

Allowing justice to be twisted by emotions of sympathy for the unfortunate is no less corrupting than bending toward the rich and powerful out of a sense of awe or admiration, or in hopes of personal advancement. In both cases, feelings block the scrupulous application of rules of logic and fairness. In both cases, Jewish tradition suggests that the judge (or any other government official) has been, in effect, bribed.

On this point, leaders of the liberal Jewish establishment would no doubt object to the whole line of scripture-based reasoning, making the point that the Hebrew word for justice " “tzedek” " is directly related to the colloquial term for charity " “tzedaka.” This linguistic point has allowed many generations of Jewish fundraisers to make the pitch that for us, charitable giving isn’t a matter of special kindness or generosity, but an obligation of simple justice. As the Book of Deuteronomy (16:20) famously and resonantly declares: “Justice, justice shalt thou pursue.”

Actually, the better translation for this celebrated phrase (“Tzedek, tzedek teerdof” in Hebrew) would be “Righteousness, righteousness you should pursue.” When the book of Leviticus bans bias toward the poor as a “perversion of justice” the word used isn’t “tzedek” (best rendered as “righteousness”) but rather “Mishpat” (best rendered as “law” or “judgment”). Righteousness constitutes a personal goal for each individual " and very much includes charitable giving, and acts of loving-kindness for the impoverished and powerless. “Law” (or “judgment”) on the other hand describes an expression of organized society or governmental authority, which should treat all society’s members, rich and poor alike, in a non-prejudicial and neutral manner.

This distinction between personal obligations and official policy brings important implications for current controversies. As individuals, we should never try to look on Bill Gates and a homeless beggar as equally deserving of our sympathy or generosity. At the same time, twisting the law or administrative policy to favor the beggar in a dispute with Bill Gates would require the same abandonment of impartiality as privileging the Software Sultan over the pauper.

Does this mean that a system of progressive taxation constitutes the blurring of justice and charity that the Bible decries? The answer is almost certainly yes, and helps explain why so many conservatives yearn for a system of flat taxes or consumption taxes to replace the current nightmare of the IRS. This doesn’t mean that Mr. Gates would ever pay the same tax bill as our imaginary homeless gent--- if they both paid 10%, Mr. Microsoft would still pay vastly more in precisely the same ratio that he earned vastly more. But a system under which top earners get slammed with a 39.6% rate (as they will if Obama lets Bush tax cuts lapse, as promised) and struggling householders pay nothing, but actually get checks from the government totaling thousands of dollars (through the Earned Income Tax Credit and other scams), very clearly represents a society organized to favor the poor in a way that violates unbiased justice.

At a time when the outspoken religious left wants to claim scriptural sanction for its redistributionist schemes, when President Obama searches for a judge who will follow her compassionate heart rather than the Constitution, it’s appropriate to recall the timeless and necessary Biblical separation between public justice and private compassion.
http://townhall.com/Columnists/MichaelMedved/2009/05/06/obama_should_listen_to_leviticus_dont_confuse_justice_and_charity
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 12:23 am
Maddow reports on Barstow's military analyst article, rescinded Pentagon IG report

http://mediamatters.org/clips/200905060044

See also:

Inspector at Pentagon Says Report Was Flawed

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/us/06generals.html?hp

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 12:24 am
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 12:41 am
Arlen Specter went on nationally syndicated "Meet the Press" on Sunday and announced that he never said he would be a loyal democrat.

Accordingly, the majority party has denied Specter seniority status. After all, why should he be granted the privileges of seniority as a member of the majority party after he announced that he is not loyal to the party? Although Specter believes he is ENTITLED to senior status in the majority party--and the POWER that goes with seniority--simply because of all the years he spent in Congress, he spent those years accumulating seniority in the Republican Party. Right now, he's the most junior "newly minted" member of the Democrat Party and he's not entitled to any "seniority" perks.


After Party Switch, a Senator’s Confused Alliances

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Under intense analysis of his every move and utterance, Mr. Specter canceled a scheduled appearance on Wednesday night on “Larry King Live” on CNN.

Behind the scenes, he was scrambling to find money to save the jobs of several aides after losing the payroll authority that came with his committee and subcommittee chairmanships as a Republican.

Mr. Specter also issued a statement on Wednesday insisting that he would ultimately regain his seniority on Senate committees, which Democrats for now have stripped away. But there are no guarantees.

So it goes for Mr. Specter, a political chameleon who started out as a Democrat, spent 43 years as a Republican and abruptly switched parties last week in a naked bid to save his political career.

Mr. Specter, who is up for re-election next year, concluded that he could not win a Republican primary.

But he is having trouble fitting in. He voted against the Democrats in his first two big votes since the switch, opposing the Democratic budget and helping defeat a measure to allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgages for troubled homeowners.

And on Tuesday night, he retracted a statement, made in an interview, in which he said the Minnesota courts should rule in favor of the Republican, Norm Coleman, in the state’s disputed Senate race.

Republican press releases snipe at his every misstep.

And the comment about Minnesota, where Democrats need Al Franken to become their crucial 60th vote in the Senate, prompted the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, to confront Mr. Specter on the Senate floor.

“Arlen,” Mr. Reid said in his trademark low-volume growl, “What’s going on here?”

Mr. Specter replied that he had forgotten “what team” he was on. Later, he told a reporter: “I conclusively misspoke.”

Several senators said they felt badly for Mr. Specter and several voiced compassion.

“He needs a little time to focus on his new surroundings,” Senator Debbie Stabenow, Democrat of Michigan, said.

“It’s a process,” said Senator Bob Casey, Mr. Specter’s fellow Pennsylvanian.

“This too shall pass,” Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, chimed in.

Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey, the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said Democrats were providing guidance, if not quite a re-education program, to help Mr. Specter move forward.

“I think Senator Specter obviously understands that he is now running in a Democratic primary, it is a different universe of voters,” Mr. Menendez said. “We are working with Senator Specter and his staff so that he understands the universe that he is in.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/07/us/07specter.html?hp



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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 12:49 am
Senate Democrats Deny Specter Committee Seniority

By Paul Kane
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The Senate dealt a blow tonight to Sen. Arlen Specter's hold on seniority in several key committees, a week after the Pennsylvanian's party switch placed Democrats on the precipice of a 60-seat majority.

In a unanimous voice vote, the Senate approved a resolution that added Specter to the Democratic side of the dais on the five committees on which he serves, an expected move that gives Democrats larger margins on key panels such as Judiciary and Appropriations.

But Democrats placed Specter in one of the two most junior slots on each of the five committees for the remainder of this Congress, which goes through December 2010. Democrats have suggested that they will consider revisiting Specter's seniority claim at the committee level only after the midterm elections next year.

"This is all going to be negotiated next Congress," Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said tonight.

Specter's office declined to comment.

Without any assurance of seniority, Specter loses a major weapon in his campaign to win reelection in 2010: the ability to claim that his nearly 30 years of Senate service places him in key positions to benefit his constituents.

Tonight's committee resolution, quickly read on the Senate floor by Reid himself, contradicts Specter's assertion last Tuesday when he publicly announced his move from the Republican side of the aisle. He told reporters that he retained his seniority both in the overall chamber and in the committees on which he serves. Specter said that becoming chairman of the Appropriations Committee was a personal goal of his, one that would be within reach if he were granted his seniority on the panel and placed as the third-most senior Democrat there.

Specter, if granted seniority, would also be next in line to chair the Judiciary Committee behind the current chairman, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.).

Without that seniority, though, Specter, 79, would not even hold an appropriations subcommittee chairmanship in 2011, a critical foothold Specter has used in the past to disperse billions of dollars to Pennsylvania.

When Supreme Court nomination hearings are held later this summer, Specter will be the last senator to ask questions of the eventual nominee -- a dramatically lower profile than in 2005 and 2006, when he chaired the committee and ran the confirmations of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.

Democrats could decide after the 2010 midterms to reward Specter for his move by granting him seniority on committees, but recent precedent has not been kind to such situations. In 2002, for instance, Frank Lautenberg came out of retirement to bail out New Jersey Democrats, agreeing to run in place of the ethically disgraced incumbent, Robert G. Torricelli (D). Lautenberg won a seat that was once thought to be out of reach. But despite his 18 years of prior Senate service, Democrats relegated him to the most junior positions on committees.

Specter, after 43 years as an active Republican, will have to prove his Democratic loyalty over the next 20 months to his colleagues in order to win their support for his seniority. That effort has gotten off to a rocky start following an interview he gave with the New York Times Magazine, to be published this Sunday.

Specter joked about how Norm Coleman could possibly win his legal contest and reclaim his Minnesota Senate seat, assuring there would still be at least one Jewish Republican in the chamber. Specter backtracked from those comments in an interview with Congressional Quarterly today,

"In the swirl of moving from one caucus to another, I have to get used to my new teammates," he told CQ. "I'm ordinarily pretty correct in what I say. I've made a career of being precise. I conclusively misspoke."
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 02:35 am
Heads up, everyone. Here's the conservative movement's new handbook of talking points designed to scare the average joe and mary about health care reform in the hands of the Washington DEMOCRAT politicians:

The Language of Healthcare 2009
by Dr. Frank I. Luntz
(GOP pollster and language guru)

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_luntz.html

This is a 28 page memo that instructs Republicans on what to say and what NOT to say when you're spewing an ANTI-DEMOCRAT message! Humanize your approach. Let them know that YOU care about them, acknowledge the healthcare crisis (or you lose credibility), and then exploit their deathly fear that "a government takeover will lower the quality of care" for your children and your elderly parents! We can't have that in America! Tell them your solution (or you lose credibility). Our Republican solution is to provide MORE access to MORE treatment and MORE doctors with less interference from WASHINGTON politicians. (It has to be "Washington" politicians, you know, because they're far away and out of touch with local Folk!)

That's just a brief summary of the first two pages. It's quite a fascinating read on the art of manipulation.

Check out these articles:

How Republicans Should Talk About Health Care
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1896597,00.html

5 Truths About Health Care in America
http://www.time.com/time/2008/health_care/
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 03:28 am
same place, same place. same thing, same thing....



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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 06:28 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Obama Should Listen to Leviticus: Don't Confuse Justice and Charity


Also: Don't eat lobster, shrimp or ostrich. Isolate menstruating women, and don't touch them for seven days. And if you pronounce the Lord's name, you shall be put to death. However, you'll get only excommunicated when you marry your sister.

There's nothing quite like "listening to Leviticus" when you need policy ideas for the 21st century.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 07:34 am
@old europe,
Those good old Hebrew priestly codes - however, our meals take a lot longer since the priest always has to make it smoke upon the altar as well ...
old europe
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 07:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Also, doing the laundry just takes forever if you have to show your garment to a priest to examine discolorations. Not to mention the whole thing where your clothes get quarantined for seven days, then washed, then quarantined for another another seven days - just to be burned with fire in case your jeans actually have caught the plague....
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 08:08 am
@old europe,
Ha! So you found the reason why some are longer offline ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 08:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
(I'm not well-read enough, but Foxfyre will know it: as far as I remember, Levicitus always was interpreted in the one or other way: especially, in Medieval Times, the passages about sacrifice were .... well, under discussion.)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 09:01 am
@mysteryman,
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So then she quoted a law that didnt exist at the time?
If the law didnt exist, then what crime was Yamashita charged with?
You cant accuse someone of breaking a law that doesnt exist at the time.


You are, apparently, unfamiliar with the trial of Yamashita, and why it both became a by-word in war crimes prosecution, and why it was considered a scandal by many jurists. Yamashita was, indeed, charged with a crime which did not then exist. He was charged with responsibility for the atrocities alleged to have been committed by troops under his command. There were several other problems with this, such as the atrocities alleged were committed by troops with whom communications and command control had broken down, and that many of the alleged atroctities were committed by Imperial Marines and sailors of the Imperial Navy, troops over which Yamashita did not and never had had control. But the main problem was that Yamashita was was accused of a crime which violated not law then existent, whether or not you assert that that is possible.

The prosecution became a by-word because the concept that a commander can be held liable for war crimes committed by those under his command has since been enshrined, and has come to be known as the Yamashita standard.

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And wouldnt a lawyer know that?


One would expect that more than one lawyer would know that, especially those preparing to prosecute or defend a charge of war crimes. In fact, Colonel Clarke, who headed Yamashita's defense team obviously knew, the evidence being his having made a point of remarking that Yamashita was being charged with an offense to which American officers were not subject--and more about that in a moment.

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IF the US stripped him of his POW status, that was a violation of the GC.


I see nothing in the text of the 1929 convention which makes that true. This is at the heart of the failure of your criticism of Miss Law's remarks. Nothing in the text of the 1929 convention supports this claim on your part. The 1949 convention, of course, hardly applies to a man who was executed in 1946.

This is why i said that you'd be on safer grounds arguing about the flaw in the indictment against Yamashita with regard to crime alleged against him. That would not be, however, a cogent response to Miss Law. In that, you have failed utterly.

The most cogent objection to the prosecution, conviction and sentencing of General Yamashita arises from Article 63:

A sentence shall only be pronounced on a prisoner of war by the same tribunals and in accordance with the same procedure as in the case of persons belonging to the armed forces of the detaining Power.

This is why Colonel Clarke took care to point out that no such charges could be brought against an American officer. In addition to Article 63, the first sentences of Articles 45 and 46 reinforce this aspect of the convention:

The first sentence of Article 45 reads: Prisoners of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the detaining Power.

The first sentence of Article 46 reads: Prisoners of war shall not be subjected by the military authorities or the tribunals of the detaining Power to penalties other than those which are prescribed for similar acts by members of the national forces.

Once again, lawyers do know these things, which is why Colonel Clarke specifically pointed out that no such charges could be brought against and American officer. By inference, therefore, no penalty could be attached to such charges, because no penalty could be levied against an American officer for such a charge.

I am under no obligation to determine whether or not Yamashita was paid while a prisoner of war of the United States. If you think he was not, you might do the research to determine that.

But my remark was originally that you have no case against Miss Law. This is true because you are mixing apples and oranges to quote provisions of the 1949 convention, while claiming that the same provisions are a part of the 1929 convention, when there is no evidence that this is so. Your shot gun approach of introducing other considerations, such as whether or not he was paid while a prison of war, is not relevant to whether or not you had a valid criticism of Miss Law's remarks. You did not.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 09:10 am
@mysteryman,
Japan was not the protecting power. Protecting powers are neutrals who have been delegated the power to safeguard the interests of the parties to the conflict--the most common example of such a protecting power is Switzerland. You need to read the conventions more carefully.

Once again, your criticism of Miss Law's remark was based on the United States having ended Yamashita's status as a prisoner of war prior to his prosecution. You have failed to make that case, and you have failed to quote any portion of the 1929 convention which supports your argument. You also stated that the convention as quoted by Miss Law supported your argument, ignoring that she quoted the 1949 convention, which went into force more than three years after Yamashita was executed.

I see no reason to alter my comment that you have failed to make your case.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 09:18 am
In case you wish to continue to quibble, allow me to point out that i did not state that the United States had not violated the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Miss Law was also careful to point out that she was not defending the United States against a charge that they had violated the convention. I objected to your post (the one in which you addressed Miss Law as "dumbass," a totally unnecessary sally on your part which does nothing to lend force to your argument, and can be seen to diminish the force of your argument) because you claimed that the text that she quoted shows that the United States had violated the convention.

So i pointed out that the text she quoted was for the Geneva Convention of 1949, after Yamashita was executed. I then immediately pointed out that the United States had violated the relevant convention by the very fact of their prosecution, and pointed out Colonel Clarke's remark to that effect.

Arguing about whether or not Yamashita were paid, or any other aspect of his treatment by the United States, including being prosecuted for a crime which could not be alleged against an American officer, are beside the point that you were criticizing Miss Law's remarks upon a false basis.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 09:29 am
I withdraw all of my remarks.

I have re-read the relevant posts, and now realize that it was Miss Law who addressed you as dumbass. Therefore, i took umbrage to your remarks upon a false basis, that it was you who had initiated the name-calling. My apologies for my mistake.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 09:44 am
It is worth noting at this point that Yamashita was favorably impressed with the honor of his captors, despite the nature of his prosecution, precisely because of the pains which his defense team took to defend him against the charges brought against him. Prior to the war, Yamashita had counselled ending the war in China, and doing nothing to arouse the hostility of the United States. That very unpopular view sidelined him in an insignificant command for several years before the Japanese Empire went to war with the United States. The behavior of his defense team simply increased the respect for the United States and for Americans which Yamashita had already long entertained. There is a tragic irony in all of that, of course.

In his own culture, it is doubtful that any judicial process would have taken place at all--certainly the Japanese would have felt no obligation to go to extraordinary lengths to assure that anyone they accused of war crimes were represented by competent counsel. A thorough understanding of Japanese history, especially since the Sengoku period, should convince anyone that the concepts of due process and competent defense counsel are totally alien to their culture (at least as it existed in 1941) and their cultural history.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 10:49 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Quote:
Obama Should Listen to Leviticus: Don't Confuse Justice and Charity


Also: Don't eat lobster, shrimp or ostrich. Isolate menstruating women, and don't touch them for seven days. And if you pronounce the Lord's name, you shall be put to death. However, you'll get only excommunicated when you marry your sister.

There's nothing quite like "listening to Leviticus" when you need policy ideas for the 21st century.


Perhaps it might be possible to focus on the point Medved was making rather than on nitpicking Bible verses?

I doubt you've ever heard Medved, but he is a soft spoken, thoughtful, and excellently researched in his commentary--he frequently invites high profile leftwingers to be guests on his radio program, and, as a Jew, he frequently used religious or Biblical illustrations for the points he intends to make. Here he is almost certainly countering those on the Left who hold up the 'golden rule' and other Bible passages to defend Obama's 'redistribution of wealth' concept and those groups who are urging him to pour more resources into programs that address poverty and related issues.

In the posted essay, Medved is pointing out that there is nothing in the Old or New Testament that suggests that it is the role of government to minister to the poor but rather, for very good reasons, that it is the duty of the individual. It is the duty of government to dispense unbiased justice which is not possible if the government assumes responsibility to dispense charity.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 10:53 am
And experience over the last two thousand years shows that the poor can go begging, literally, if individuals are relied upon for their relief, rather than government. Even the conservative English Parliament of the 19th century recognized this undeniable truth.

My favorite example of "cold as Christian charity" is the attitude of anti-abortion activists who want women to carry their babies to term, but wouldn't lift a finger to help the woman and her child after the birth.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2009 11:00 am
It is my experience that it is almost without exception people of faith who minister to the addicted, organize inner city programs for the kids, establish leper colonies and orphanages and programs to assist widows and orphans, who organize and staff the food pantries, thrift shops, soup kitchens, and private homeless shelters, etc.

I am unaware of any Atheist groups who do anything like that.

And I am also aware that almost without exception, government programs intended to relieve poverty have resulted in more poor than ever.

Perahps it indeed is time to rethink government anti-poverty programs.
 

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