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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 09:52 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

We have ******* pirates on the seas going after merchant vessals, and the one "surviving" pirate going on trial in a US Court. WONDERFUL.


Why is that wonderful? We've tried pirates before. He'll get convicted and sentenced to prison. What's wrong with that?

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I see the Taliban has yet to "give up" in Afganistan. They are laughing at the US.


This is not material to the conversation we've been having.

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Your liberal friends in the US Congress and the White House jeopardize our security by releasing information on tactics.


This is an assertion on your part; you have no actual evidence that releasing info on tactics - which we aren't using any more - will hurt US security at all.

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These are facts and spin them as you wish.


These are not facts, they are ravings from a pussy. That's right Woiyo. You're acting like a pussy. A little afraid baby, scared that the evvul tewworists are going to come and blow you up. And you're willing to do any amount of torture to keep that from happening (not that it will).

Repeat after me:

I am not afraid of terrorists! I am not afraid of terrorism!

Once you repeat that enough, your zeal for torture will fade, I guarantee.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 09:54 am
@Woiyo9,
That's really the clue that you have no clue; waterboarding has already been determined to be torture by our country and have prosecuted people for using it. That some in government and our civilian population still think it's not illegal have shown they know nothing about domestic and international laws. On top of all this, it has been proven that information can better be obtained by treating prisoners with respect and kindness over torture. Information obtained through torture is not reliable. Simple facts you people seem to ignore like everything else.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 09:57 am
@Woiyo9,
You have that all wrong; Bush's approval of torture has been one of the best recruitment tools for al Qaida. Your judgment is still batting zero.

Torture is illegal; try to wrap that around your head/brain if you can.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 10:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
ASSHOLE!!! I conceded the point.

Now what?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 10:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
We have not tried a pirate in over 100 years.

Fact remains, no one is afraid of our foreign policy or our military now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 10:09 am
@Woiyo9,
Your ad hominems continues as your credibility drains into the toilet.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 10:22 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

We have not tried a pirate in over 100 years.

Does that in any way effect our ability to do it in 2009?

Woiyo9 wrote:

Fact remains, no one is afraid of our foreign policy or our military now.

Unless you plan to argue that without torture we are useless as a military power, you might want to reconsider your claim.

We've done fine without torture, we don't need it.

T
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 10:36 am
@Woiyo9,
Laughing That's a joke, right? No one is afraid of our foreign policy or our military now?

A US company tried a pirate not that long ago -- of course, it was a movie "Pirates of the Caribbean."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:25 am
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone imposter, the truth about what powers are granted to the federal government by the states varies ONLY with lawful amendments to the Constitution. No one has been better able to articulate what that truth is about the true meaning of the Constituion than those who wrote the Constitution, adopted the Constitution, wrote the amendments to the Constitution, and adopted the amendments to the Constitution. The fact that most of those people are now dead does not change that truth. Least competent to say what that truth is are people who discount and/or reject the truths articulated by those now dead.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:30 am
@ican711nm,
ican, You must learn to live in the present; nobody seems to agree with you concerning our Constitution. "That" should be a clue, but you are pissing in the wind.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:40 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

This is how liberals support our troops.


how many times have you been waterboarded?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:42 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
I believe woiyo has been deprived of sleep.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:47 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
None. I never got captured.

How about you?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:49 am
@Diest TKO,
We've done fine without torture?

You're so naive!!! Laughing
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:50 am
@MontereyJack,
This is no new news -- it happened with the Knights Templar when the leader confessed under torture to get off the hook. Then he withdrew the confession, the free Knights Templar took the gold they had accumulated and left the country on boats, leaving Phillip the IV broke. The king was after the money, not any religious principal.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:52 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

We have ******* pirates on the seas going after merchant vessals, and the one "surviving" pirate going on trial in a US Court. WONDERFUL.

yeah, because the seals wasted the the other ones. so your problem is... what?


I see the Taliban has yet to "give up" in Afganistan. They are laughing at the US.

yeah, how disappointing. fuckin' obama's been president for 4 goddamn months and he hasn't wrapped that **** up yet. goddamn liberals.


Your liberal friends in the US Congress and the White House jeopardize our security by releasing information on tactics.

fuckin' a! whadda they think they're doin'?? screwing the intelligence community and it's operatives is cheney and karl rove's job.

goddamn liberals!



These are facts and spin them as you wish.

translation; goddamn liberals! fuckin' liberals! two handed jackin' off liberals! i'm fuckin' bitter and i hate goddamn liberals!



Laughing
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 11:57 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

None. I never got captured.

How about you?


nope. when i was in the hospital last time, the tv in my room was on fox news for several hours and i couldn't get up to change it.

that was pretty fuckin' torturous. even with the morphine. Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 12:01 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DTOM, Excellent translation; keep up the good work. LOL
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 12:18 pm
While Reuters doesn't have the best track record in good journalism, this is an interesting article.

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Pentagon plans 20,000 new jobs to manage arms-buys
Wed May 6, 2009 12:10pm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's Defense Department plans to create 20,000 new jobs to manage a revamp of the way the United States buys billions of dollars of weapons each year, the Pentagon's No. 2 official told Congress.

The Pentagon also plans to tie more contract fee structures to performance and will make sure that multiyear contracts are awarded only when "real, substantial" savings result to taxpayers, Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn told the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee on Wednesday.

The Pentagon's top suppliers by prime contract value, in order, are Lockheed Martin Corp, Boeing Co, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics Corp, BAE Systems Plc and Raytheon Co.

Lynn welcomed legislation moving through the House and Senate aimed at combating chronic cost overruns, schedule slips and performance shortfalls in weapons purchases -- a goal embraced by Obama.

"We agree with the strategic direction of both bills and we wish to work with the Congress to ensure that we get the beset-designed initiatives that can be implemented," he said.

Among other changes, the Defense Department plans to explore greater use of fixed-price development contracts, Lynn said. Although this may boost development costs as contractors price in "a greater degree of risk," it should make cost estimates more accurate and overruns less frequent, he added.

(Reporting by Jim Wolf; editing by Gerald E. McCormick and Matthew Lewis)
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54545N20090506?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true


Questions from a conservative point of view:

1. Does it take 20,000 people, in addition to the 28,000 who already work for the Pentagon, to write defense contracts that include penalties for cost overruns or failure to deliver as promised and to audit the completed work?

2. Where will these 20,000 new hires work? There certainly is not room in the Pentagon for them.

3. In this area, given a large number of defense contractors who employ highly skilled people with security clearances doing various construction and maintenance tasks, providing computer and tech services, etc. at the bases and labs, etc., I wonder how many such highly qualified and skilled people will be willing to work on a year-to-year basis if multiple year contracts are not awarded?

Does anybody else get the feeling that some folks in government aren't thinking these things through real carefully before announcing grandiose plans?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 12:25 pm
@Foxfyre,
That's probably because you don't have the information necessary to properly evaluate their decision(s). It's easy to criticize most anything without having the proper/full knowledge. That's where you are at now.

From the article:
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Lynn welcomed legislation moving through the House and Senate aimed at combating chronic cost overruns, schedule slips and performance shortfalls in weapons purchases -- a goal embraced by Obama.
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