You like Cyclop, assuming you are two different people, are speaking nonsense and ignorance that you can support with no credible evidence.
And no, there were no 'tea parties' by that name during the Bush administration. But we did get fed up, and the Democrats were voted into power in 2006. And government did not expand so much for the next two years because the Democrats weren't willing for President Bush to get any credit. There is no such restraint there now.
The colonists didn't rebel right away either. They chaffed for years under an increasingly oppressive authority of the British monarchy until they hit a tipping point in which it was worth the risk to act. And they did.
I hope beyond hope that the American people have reached that tipping point again. This was not a Republican initiative and the grass roots tea party organizers have resisted framing it as any kind of GOP initiative. This is an American initiative.
(And Glenn Beck had absolutely nothing to do with it.)
All sorts of concerned Americans jumped on the bandwagon, but
you have no clue how the idea of these tea parties was first conceived.
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 09:41 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Just one of the tea parties here in Albuquerque attracted a low estimate of 5000 and by at least one estimate as many as 10,000.
5,000? 10,000? Hmmm, not so much.
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Nearly 1,000 people showed up saying enough is enough. Participants said they are tired of the taxpayer-funded corporate bailouts and added the tea in tea party stands for taxed enough already.
Re Governor Perry of Texas: His motivation may come from the fact that Texas Republicans might choose Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the next gubernatorial primary.
And maybe his motivation is that he is listening to and responding to the people. And he agrees with them? The exact sort of thing that we are requesting of all our elected leaders? Is that too much of a stretch?
Moderate Texas Republicans are more likely to select Kay Hutchison. Local reporters in Texas feel Perry is therefore trying to appeal to as many "fringe" Republicans as possible.
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Cycloptichorn
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 09:48 am
Sure, tell yourself that. We'll go on running the House, Senate, and Presidency.
I think the racial element of these rallies has been under-reported.
Somehow I doubt that anyone there told them these signs were offensive.
And no, there were no 'tea parties' by that name during the Bush administration. But we did get fed up, and the Democrats were voted into power in 2006.
So there were elections, and the party in power got voted out.
That's not a "protest" in the sense that the teabagging events are "protests". If you're claiming that you protested against the expansion of government under Bush and you call people who disagree with that liars, why don't you go ahead and post some pictures of those rightwing anti-Bush demonstrations? Why don't you post photos of all those conservatives who publicly protested against expansion of government and increasing debt under Bush?
If those demonstrations were not "tea parties" by that name, why don't you tell us how those rightwing anti-Bush demonstrations were called back then? Why don't you refer us to Fox News promoting nationwide protests under the last administration?
Go ahead.
Or stop calling people liars for pointing out that no conservative anti-Bush demonstrations took place.
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old europe
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 09:59 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
(And Glenn Beck had absolutely nothing to do with it.)
You've got to be kidding. Or you're completely clueless.
I didn't say he didn't support it or participate in it. But he had nothing to do with organizing it, nothing to do with putting it together. It was truly an internet generated grassroots movement and I am guessing that party affiliation was not especially a factor in who attended.
I am agreeing however that the Albuquerque crowd was probably somewhere between 1000 and 2000 now. The organizers almost certainly exaggerate attendance and the media, including our local Fox affiliate, will almost certainly underestimate the attendance. Our ABC affiliate gave the tea party coverage one quick shot and less than 10 seconds of commentary.
Evenso, adding it all up across the country you do have at least two to three hundred thousand folks documented as being at these things and most likely many fold more like me who didn't attend but who were in complete sympathy with the effort. (I did drive through the protest area along Montgomery Blvd yesterday afternoon though, and the folks stretched a good long distance.....sure looked like more than a 1000 people but I didn't count them.)
Fox News’s ‘coverage’ of tea parties: 23 segments, 73 on-air promos in eight days.
As ThinkProgress has documented, Fox News has aggressively promoted today’s conservative, anti-Obama tea parties. A Media Matters analysis found that Fox dedicated 23 separate segments to the tea parties between April 6 and April 13; it aired at least 73 in-show and commercial promotions for the parties as well. Of all the Fox programs, Neil Cavuto’s “Your World” dedicated the most time to the tea parties:
These events were envisioned by Gingrich and Dick Armey, organized using Republican lobbying and PR firms, and hyped for weeks on Republican state TV. To say that they were 'grassroots' is an indication that one doesn't know what the term 'grassroot' means.
Not exactly grassroots when it's being coordinated by a major personality now is it?
"take your kids out of school!"
"secret 50 year communist plot"
"burn the books!"
Sounds like some real well grounded people who deserve to be taken seriously.
I wonder who else is planning these? I'll get to that in a moment. But first, something else to look stupid by.
Turns out that tea parties are actually get-togethers for people with passionate but tragically uneducated understanding of words.
"Fascist" doesn't have to mean fascist, but it doesn't matter, the point is to build a negative brand and bet others are too stupid or intimidated to challenge it. It isn't working.
Oh so about who else could be behind these tea parties.
I went to the self proclaimed "online HQ" for all the tax day tea parties.
You can browse around and see a bunch... including... ta da! A list of sponsors on the right! This next part, and I really must point this out, was too easy.
Guess what it's a super right wing lobbyist group. They are all saints too. Lobbying against family leave for expecting mothers in the workforce. Those greedy pregnant bitches. Asking for time off? But they could just be passive right? Wrong. They actually have kits online so you can have a tea party! Cute. I'm not surprised. Are you? I mean, you must be. You did stay I had no proof. You must believe I was wrong. This must come as a shock to you.
Oh and that main tea party site. follow it down to the bottom, and after a cute blurb about being a grassroots group, you see that this is a site owned and ran by Strategic Activism LLC.
So yeah, remember that time you said...
Foxfyre wrote:
You like Cyclop, assuming you are two different people, are speaking nonsense and ignorance that you can support with no credible evidence.
... then I backed it all up with the organizers as the sources? That's a credible as it gets, and your knee jerk claim that I couldn't back it up is sunk.
I accept your apology.
On a more personal note, you insistence that Cyclo and I are one and the same is funny, but ultimately I feel real pity for you. This kind of paranoia is really sad. It doesn't help you not look crazy (something that you should be trying a little harder ot do these days).
Nice try. But you still haven't shown me from any CREDIBLE.....let's spell that slowly C - R - E -D - I - B - L - E source that the tea parties across the country are not a grass roots inspired and organized movement. To assume that conservatives with access to national microphones would not have noted that, commented on it, participated in it, supported it would be short sighted and naive to the extreme. In fact, without those national microphones, the tea parties themselves would have received little or no national coverage at all because your revered leftwing media would have not covered them at all or would have attempted to downplay them as they have done and which you are attempting to do. There is a limit to how much the leftwing media can ignore something that is obviously happening and maintain what little integrity they have left.
Both sides are capable of exaggeration and hyperspin, yes, but there has rarely been anything as blatantly and so widely spread dishonest on the American scene as are leftwing blogs and the leftwing media dutifully honored by the kool-ade drinkers of the world.
Isolated anecdotal evidence should never be authoritative to anybody who thinks. Do you think?
The vast majority of the tea parties were orderly, respectful events that discouraged or absolutely forbade any kind of profanity or incendiary language. That was certainly the case here in Albuquerque. And I can assure you, the Republican Party nor any national personality had ANYTHING to do with the local grassroots effort.
It's not hard when facts are on your side. In fact, it's too easy.
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H2O MAN
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 10:29 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Only pussies get so easily offended.
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Freedom of speech is great!
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Cycloptichorn
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 10:36 am
@Foxfyre,
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To assume that conservatives with access to national microphones would not have noted that, commented on it, participated in it, supported it would be short sighted and naive to the extreme.
Oh really? Can you find a lot of evidence of Liberal media commentators supporting, participating in, and promoting anti-Bush protests and anti Iraq war protests, on national TV?
No, I doubt you can.
You are so blown on this issue, but in typical Fox style, prefer to bull on through rather than face facts. The teabagging was promoted and pimped by Republican lobbying organizations. You simply refuse to believe that which is on their own websites. TKO showed you exactly where the links to those orgs were. You just ignored it, b/c it's harmful to your cause.
Your local Albuquerque party was envisioned by some guy working for Dick Armey's lobbying group, who got someone locally to organize it. Face the facts instead of trying to throw up a cloud of ****.
Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 10:36 am
@Foxfyre,
Hey, Foxie, please show us any of your posts that shows you "protested" against Bush's spending during his eight years in office. PLEASE>
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Thu 16 Apr, 2009 10:39 am
Tea parties, the attendance heavily weighted by people that are paying the taxes to keep the country afloat. At least that is what I gleaned from people calling into talk shows, they were business owners, but all kinds of people just fed up with how the government is spending their money.
Maybe what this tea party ought to be about is "representation without taxation." There is a growing segment of the population that now pay no taxes, that are having a huge say in how the money is spent. Something isn't exactly right about that scenario, people. What if all the producers get sick of the whole mess, throw up their hands, and simply quit. Then its over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Tea_Party_protests#History
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History
A blogger known as "Liberty Belle" called for and organized[20] the first tea party protest of 2009 which took place on February 16 in Seattle, Washington.[21][22] A protest was held in Denver on February 17[23] and a protest in Mesa, Arizona on February 18 brought 500 protesters.[24][25]
By February 19, 2009, in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade, CNBC market commentator Rick Santelli, criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages as "promoting bad behavior", and raised the possibility of a "Chicago Tea Party".[26][27] In response to Santelli's comments, websites sprung up to organize "Tea Party" protests.[28][29] ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008 by Chicago radio producer Zack Christenson, was live within twelve hours.[4] About 10 hours after Santelli's remarks, reTeaParty.com was bought to coordinate Tea Parties scheduled for July 4, and as of March 4, was reported to be receiving 11,000 visitors a day.[4] Bob Basso's portrayal of Thomas Paine on Youtube calling for a Second American Revolution also played a role in spreading the protests.[30]
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Yesterday, April 15, 2009, TEA Partys occurred all over the USA from New York to California, from Illinois to Texas, from Florida to Washington, from Arizona to Massachusetts. They were each and every one created and run by people who were not officials of any current political party.
I attended one in Texas. The people there were from each and every race, each and every ethnic group, each and every gender, and each and every age group. Their primary protest was that the federal government was in the process of mortgaging their children's and grand children's futures. Their signs and speeches and comments presented numerous specific reasons justifying their primary protest.
THESE ARE SIGNS I PERSONALLY MADE AND HANDED OUT TO THOSE FEW WHO REQUESTED THEM AND DID NOT HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONALLY MADE SIGNS:
GOVERNMENT
STOP MORTGAGING OUR
CHILREN’S FUTURES
GOVERNMENT
STOP TAXES THAT LIMIT JOB CREATION
GOVERNMENT
STOP PENALIZING SUCCESS
GOVERNMENT
STOP
STEALING
OUR MONEY
GOVERNMENT
STOP STEALING MONEY FROM THOSE WHO LAWFULLY EARNED IT AND GIVING IT TO THOSE WHO DID NOT LAWFULLY EARN IT
GOVERNMENT
REPLACE CURRENT TAX SYSTEM WITH A UNIFORM FLAT TAX ON ALL DOLLARS OF GROSS PERSONAL INCOME
GOVERNMENT
LIMIT YOUR SPENDING TO YOUR INCOME FROM TAXES
GOVERNMENT
STOP RAISING TAXES
START TO CUT SPENDING
See, I say this, b/c when I look at pictures from all over the country, all I see are white folks. Perhaps you could provide counter-evidence? Nobody else has been able to.
