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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:32 pm
@ican711nm,
When is your case slated to be heard? I sure wouldn't want to miss your legal arguments. You'll turn those judges on their heads with your abundant constitutional knowledge.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:35 pm
@JTT,
Yeah, I want to be there too! ican the legal scholar and Constitutional expert before the supreme court will be a "site to behold." ROFL
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:43 pm
@ican711nm,
THE PROCESS OF DISTRUCTION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC OF THE USA BY REPLACING IT WITH A DEMOCRACY
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, and from dependency back to bondage.


George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR wrote:
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/

Part III, Chapter II
'Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.'

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:44 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
THE PROCESS OF DISTRUCTION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC OF THE USA BY REPLACING IT WITH A DEMOCRACY


Yes, but what's the process of Destruction?

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:49 pm
@ican711nm,
Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:51 pm
@ican711nm,
ican has posted unrelated garbage again, and he just can't understand why he's a lone ranger trying to (mis)interpret our country's laws.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 01:58 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
THE PROCESS OF DISTRUCTION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC OF THE USA, IF NOT STOPPED AND REVERSED, IS A STEP BY STEP LEGISLATED EXPANSION OF MAJORITY RULE WITH UNLIMITED POWERS SUBSEQUENTLY REPLACED BY A FASCIST GOVERNMENT.

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, and from dependency back to bondage.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:00 pm
@ican711nm,
You've already reached that state of selfishness. You and Omsig should get together.

Why is this sort of nonsense so readily absorbed by conservatively bent brains?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CICERONE IMPOSTER wrote:
ican has posted unrelated garbage again, and he just can't understand why he's a lone ranger trying to (mis)interpret our country's laws.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:04 pm
@ican711nm,
Hey, ican, you gonna challenge our congress and the president because they're not following the Constitution as you interpret it? LOL Let me know when you're gonna do that, because I wouldn't miss that for anything in this world.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

So, your entire argument is what Fox? That MAC's ignore the USSC and what the constitution actually says about that court?

You can't argue that MAC's support the constitution at the same time that you want to argue that the court's rulings on the constitution shouldn't be upheld.
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Sure I can. If you think the court is infallible or we should agree with it no matter what decisions it declares, lets see you defend Brown v Bd of Education; the so-called Slaughter House Cases; Dred Scott; Plessy v Ferguson; Buck v Bell.

Those nine people on the Court put their pants (or panties) on one leg at a time just like all the rest of us, and their biases and prejudices and convoluted view of the Constitution can get caught up in their decisions as easily as it can for any other human. That is why a President who values and cherishes the US Constitution will appoint originalists to the Court--men and woman with the training, judicial temperament, and proven skill to interpret the law rather than make the law--and not those who intend to legislate from the bench.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
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That is why a President who values and cherishes the US Constitution will appoint originalists to the Court--men and woman with the training, judicial temperament, and proven skill to interpret the law rather than make the law--and not those who intend to legislate from the bench.


Witness the mindless repetition of a popular conservative meme.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:11 pm
@Foxfyre,
Nobody here has argued that the court is infallible. That would be a straw man, because humans make mistakes. What we must hope for is that past wrongs are not repeated in the future, and that progress is made.

Are you perfect, Foxie? Never made a mistake in our life?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:12 pm
@JTT,
Thank you JTT. Another brilliant observation. Not mindless though. All good teaching requires repetition sufficient to drill it through the hardest noggin.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:14 pm
@Foxfyre,
You gotta love that Foxie. You got that, didn't you JTT?

Quote:
Another brilliant observation. Not mindless though.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No oh great one, I am nowhere near as perfect as most. Certainly nowhere near as flawless as you. Okay, I am not perfect at all.

I was only commenting on Parados's assertion that one cannot appreciate the Constitution and at the same time criticize the Court. That would be like saying that one cannot appreciate Parados and at the same time criticize CI though you may be in full agreement with him.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thank you for noticing CI. Again you prove yourself to be right on top of things as usual.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:17 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxie wrote:
Quote:
I am nowhere near as perfect as most.
, but more perfect anywhos.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foxie wrote:
Quote:
I am nowhere near as perfect as most.
, but more perfect anywhos.


I am humbled and pale in the shadow of your perfection. If anybody on A2K has earned the right to judge and evaluate other members, it is you CI. Your greatness is unparalleled.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:20 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
You've already reached that state of selfishness. You and Omsig should get together.

Why is this sort of nonsense so readily absorbed by conservatively bent brains?


Classical Liberals learned and learn from history. We know that it is not nonsense to stop continuing to repeat the same actions, each time expecting a different result. We know that is insanity. We know from history that mankind has repeatedly been there--reducing limits on majority rule--and eventually replacing unlimited majority rule with a dictatorship. We do not want that to happen again! We do not want that to happen in the USA ever.
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