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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 08:14 pm
@parados,
Parados is wrong and does not know the central role played by Barney Frank. Note:
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The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

"What does it mean when Boston banks start making many more loans to minorities?" I asked in this space in 1995. "Most likely, that they are knowingly approving risky loans in order to get the feds and the activists off their backs . . . When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"

Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis.'

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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 08:15 pm
@genoves,
I'm convinced, you ole silver tongued devil you.
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2009 08:24 pm
@JTT,
Actually, the credit for that post must go to Jim Jacoby--Boston. But it is crystal clear and ON THE RECORD-that Barney Frank, as ranking Democrat in the House during the nineties repeated again and again that Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac were fine and did not need an overhaul. It is because of these statements in his position, that Barney Frank must bear a large share of the blame for the financial crisis.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:10 am
Woodrow Wilson had just about a perfect a description of a conservative:

A conservative is a man who sits and thinks, mostly sits.

Bush had eight years to do something about Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae if he was aware of the problem -- if not, he's just plain dumb.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:15 am
@genoves,
So what! Frank was just one guy, one vote. He was wrong. Big deal!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 12:36 am
@Advocate,
Some people think one vote from the "other" side has much more meaning than it's worth. However, they lack the understanding of how the republicans have filibustered the democratic congress during Bush's last two years, and think nothing of it.

Rational thinkers, they are not!
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BigTexN
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 09:02 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
So what! Frank was just one guy, one vote. He was wrong. Big deal!


So much for all that Obama setting an example, turning a new leaf, "I screwed up" accountablity business...

That lasted what...a week?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:03 am
@BigTexN,
Didnt Obma say that no lobbyists would serve in his administration?
How come a lobbyist for a defense contractor is now serving as a deputy director in the defense dept?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:05 am
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:

Woodrow Wilson had just about a perfect a description of a conservative:

A conservative is a man who sits and thinks, mostly sits.

Bush had eight years to do something about Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae if he was aware of the problem -- if not, he's just plain dumb.


If President Bush had all these magical powers to fix everything, and he was the idiot that you guys seem to think he was, then President Obama, the annointed one, the Messiah, should be able to produce Utopia in the first few weeks wouldn't you think? He even has a Congress of his own party, so it should all be wonderful right away. And how is it that all wasn't perfect after eight years of President Clinton? Everybody wants to say how much better he was. How could it be that he handed President Bush a mild recession instead of a booming economy?

But yes, President Clinton allowed and signed bills that weakened controls on Freddie and Fannie. And President Bush (as well as Greenspan and Bernanke) failed to see the developing crisis, and Congress refused to do anything to head it off when it was becoming apparent that something must be done.

In short, government is not the end all savior of human difficulties and government is not the best answer for most of our problems. And our government has not served us well for a very long time now. But some seem more than anxious to believe that government is serving us well now by saddling us with a debt that could eventually be more than the GNP while there are no experts that think it is going to make anything much better.





Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:45 am
@Foxfyre,
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And our government has not served us well for a very long time now.


How UnAmerican of you. I note that you live in a country with a relatively robust economy (even now), you are well-defended, and probably don't fear fire or bandits attacking your house, and can be reasonably sure that your water and electricity will continue to arrive.

You can be reasonably sure that your life will be protected, this year and next, and for the future.

That's government doing it's job just fine. You just haven't studied history enough, apparently, to know what a government which doesn't do it's job is really like.

You should be more thankful and grateful, and less bitchy about it.

Cycloptichorn
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:55 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
You should be more thankful and grateful, and less bitchy about it.



I think all conservatives should.

This debilitating feeling about government is the worst legacy of Ronald Reagan...and I understand he never even meant it in the way so many knee-jerk conservatives interpret it.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:57 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I
Quote:
note that you live in a country with a relatively robust economy (even now),


So since Obama has done nothing for the economy (yet), are you now admitting that the Bush economy is doing fairly well, all things considered?

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:
You should be more thankful and grateful, and less bitchy about it.



I think all conservatives should.

This debilitating feeling about government is the worst legacy of Ronald Reagan...and I understand he never even meant it in the way so many knee-jerk conservatives interpret it.


How can people be so incredibly negative about an essential part of our modern society? I just don't get it. If you predict failure you will fail when tasked with running the place...

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 10:58 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

I
Quote:
note that you live in a country with a relatively robust economy (even now),


So since Obama has done nothing for the economy (yet), are you now admitting that the Bush economy is doing fairly well, all things considered?


Even at our low levels, America has a good economy. The Bush economy definitely represents a low point, but that's still miles better than most other countries.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:01 am
Ronald Reagan's greatest legacy is the breaking the economic ability and the will of the Soviet Empire to dominate the world.

His second greatest legacy was his ability to make the American people believe in themselves again, to be proud of of the good things about who they were and are and what they could be, and to understand that we hold the keys to our own happiness and we should not hand those over to anybody else to manage for us.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:03 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Ronald Reagan's greatest legacy is the breaking the economic ability and the will of the Soviet Empire to dominate the world.

His second greatest legacy was his ability to make the American people believe in themselves again, to be proud of who they were and what they could be, and to understand that we hold the power to our own happiness and we should not hand that over to anybody else to manage for us.


Or, he just happened to be in office when the Soviets collapsed all on their own. There's no real proof of any causal link.

But, that wouldn't fit with the Saint's image, so I understand.

Where does tripling the national debt fit in? Is that his 3rd or 4th greatest legacy?

Cycloptichorn
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
How can people be so incredibly negative about an essential part of our modern society? I just don't get it. If you predict failure you will fail when tasked with running the place...


Richard Brautigan said it best in his book, “Illusions; Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah”:

Argue for your limitations...and they are yours.

They argue that government CANNOT work...that it is part of the problem rather than part of the solution...and whenever they are in power, they are correct.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:08 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxie, How do you know for sure whether Russia was already on the cusp of bankruptcy before Reagan's overspending and huge deficit?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:15 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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Or, he just happened to be in office when the Soviets collapsed all on their own. There's no real proof of any causal link.


So then you dont know for certain that Reagan didnt cause the collapse of the Soviet Union, by bankrupting them.

Since you dont know either, why cant you at least admit the possibility that Reagan was responsible?

Is your hatred of repubs so deep that you cant even consider the possibility?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2009 11:18 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
Or, he just happened to be in office when the Soviets collapsed all on their own. There's no real proof of any causal link.


So then you dont know for certain that Reagan didnt cause the collapse of the Soviet Union, by bankrupting them.

Since you dont know either, why cant you at least admit the possibility that Reagan was responsible?

Is your hatred of repubs so deep that you cant even consider the possibility?


I haven't seen any evidence of Causation. He was president WHEN it happened, but that doesn't mean it happened BECAUSE of him. You bunch like to act as if he personally faced down a line of Russian tanks. That's bullshit.

Cycloptichorn
 

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