@Foxfyre,
Quote:Reagan was a master at going over the heads of the Congress straight to the American people. The Democrats were not pussies. They were opportunists to the core. The ONLY reason they went along with Reagan is because their constiuents WANTED them to go along with Reagan and it would have been political suicide for them not to do so. Don't forget that Reagan carried all but (I think) five states in 1980 - Electoral college vote was 426 to 111. In 1984 he carried all but Mondale's state and almost got that - electoral college 489 to 49. Even the most liberal Democrat has to respect that.
My point is that Reagan got his way damn near every time...and whether the Democrats were pussies because of Reagan or because of their constituents...they were pussies.
Quote:Well both Gorbachev and Yeltsin publicly gave Reagan the credit. That was the same Gorbachev who, with tears in his eyes, attended Reagan's funeral. You don't earn respect like that without meriting it.
Since you say Gorbachev and Yeltsin both publicly gave Reagan credit for destroying the Soviet Union...perhaps you would be kind enough to furnish a citation.
And, Foxfyre, you would be amazed at why politicians of all stripes occasionally have tears in their eyes!
Quote:Outspending and thereby bringing down the USSR politically and economically is NOT nation building. I only objected to your insinuation that it was.
You were the one who introduced the “freeing of hundreds of millions to....”, Foxfyre.
You!
And that is, as I said, a form of nation building!
Quote:Reagan didn't triple the national debt. It was tripled because Congress tripled it with the budgets they presented to Reagan. He had the choice of signing them or not signing them, yes, but to refuse to sign them would have ground the government to a halt and would have kept us at the mercy of the USSR threat. Presidents do not pass budgets. Congresses do. And that is the primary reason the GOP lost their power in 2006. They sort of forgot that their constituents pay attention to things like that. If we're going to have to accept irresponsibility from Congress, we might as well let the Democrats take the blame for that. (And the Democrats have proved to be even worse than the un-MAClike GOP that was voted out of power.)
This is something you should add to your MAC litany"pretend “they” did everything bad and take no blame no matter how well deserved.
The congress, Foxfyre, does not present a budget to the president; the president presents the budget to the congress. The budgets passed were Reagan's budgets. And for 6 or the 8 years, the Republicans had control of the Senate...and Reagan could have done whatever the hell he wanted.
But that's the way you MAC's work. If the president is a Democrat...blame it on the president; if the president is a Republican, blame it on the congress.
No it isn't!
Quote:Until you can show that MAC policies are destructive and MAL policies are effective, you have no case here.
Yeah, I really do, Foxfyre. The MAL's may very well be a bunch of assholes, but for MAC's to be pointing that out is like wart hogs pointing out that water buffalo are ugly animals.
In fact, that hits the nail squarely on its head!
